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 Post subject: Il divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:00 pm 
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This is just about to open in Britain, so probably deserved its own thread.

And there's a very entertaining interview with Paolo Sorrentino here, in which he reveals the reaction of the film's subject:

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Andreotti must hate the film, I suggest. "Apparently, at a screening for journalists Andreotti was present and he was absolutely furious. You have to understand how amazing it is to get that sort of reaction from a man who is as impassive as a sphinx." Are you happy about his reaction? "Happy overstates it, but I do feel pleased to get a reaction from a sphinx. Not many people have done that."


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:32 pm 
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MichaelB wrote:
This is just about to open in Britain, so probably deserved its own thread.

And there's a very entertaining interview with Paolo Sorrentino here, in which he reveals the reaction of the film's subject:

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Andreotti must hate the film, I suggest. "Apparently, at a screening for journalists Andreotti was present and he was absolutely furious. You have to understand how amazing it is to get that sort of reaction from a man who is as impassive as a sphinx." Are you happy about his reaction? "Happy overstates it, but I do feel pleased to get a reaction from a sphinx. Not many people have done that."

He did a brief Q&A at the Dublin Film Festival where he mentioned he had an interview with Andreotti where he got little out of him apart from his (apparently trademark) one-liners and inconsequential pithy remarks.


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 Post subject: Re: Il Divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
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I'm coming into this, having seen no Sorrentino, but with an unwrapped copy of The Consequences of Love at home. :oops:

It's an interesting biopic, though I'm a bit reluctant to garland it with the massively effusive praise it's been getting. The film demands a willingness for the audience to consider the entirety of Andreotti's career, not just the short time frame used; there's titles before and after outlining the rise of the Christian Democrats/Andreotti and also his subsequent legal wrangles. I know some critics have said it might not work as well for non-Italian audiences. Well, you get out what you put in.

Superb central performance from Servillo, like a nimble footed Nosferatu. Seems odd how this placid, charisma-free individual inspired such awe and reverence from a larger than life faction. It's intriguing how you learn practically nothing about Andreotti from the performance. Imagine if you were doing a biopic of Berlusconi, whose vanity and ego could be pricked. There's nothing striking about Andreotti; much like the authorities failed to make anything stick to him, Sorrentino can't make anything stick to his character.

It's incredibly stylish, using numerous cinematic techniques and running at breakneck pace, more like an American film in the vein of Scorsese and Tarantino that the conventions of European film making perhaps. Not that the style completely overshadows the substance. I think it was pretty much impossible though to represent Andreotti through film. His career's too long and Sorrentino cuts from incident to incident, not always flowing naturally. I'm not one for simple resolutions anyway but you never really learn anything about him, though the innate corruption and instability of Italian politics and the dark underbelly of Italian society is always prominent.


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 Post subject: Re: Il Divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:17 pm 
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I'm surprised there's not more conversation on this considering just how grand this film is. While the lead performance may be the best thing about the film, I was most impressed with the sound. The use of whistles, volume, music, and the few other scratches was amazing. I can't think of an other recent film that uses sound so well and in such a creative way.


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 Post subject: Re: Il Divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
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I'm surprised there's not more conversation on this considering just how grand this film is.

I think most people, myself included, passed this by due to confusion between this film and the band of the same name.


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There's a band?


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 Post subject: Re: Il Divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
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Unfortunately, yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Il Divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
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thirtyframesasecond wrote:
Not that the style completely overshadows the substance. I think it was pretty much impossible though to represent Andreotti through film. His career's too long and Sorrentino cuts from incident to incident, not always flowing naturally. I'm not one for simple resolutions anyway but you never really learn anything about him, though the innate corruption and instability of Italian politics and the dark underbelly of Italian society is always prominent.



Visually it's very exciting, although I did feel it was style over substance at times. I probably enjoyed it more after watching the DVD extras, and learning more about Andreotti the person since I knew nothing about him beforehand, and they go some way to explaining why you learn little about him in the film because he was such an enigma in real life. It was a bit convoluted at times, but so was Andreotti's connections; perhaps the structure of the film suits the subject matter but I felt the overuse of camera trickery got in the way of telling a fascinating political story.


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 Post subject: Re: Il Divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:23 am 
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j99 wrote:
thirtyframesasecond wrote:
Not that the style completely overshadows the substance. I think it was pretty much impossible though to represent Andreotti through film. His career's too long and Sorrentino cuts from incident to incident, not always flowing naturally. I'm not one for simple resolutions anyway but you never really learn anything about him, though the innate corruption and instability of Italian politics and the dark underbelly of Italian society is always prominent.



Visually it's very exciting, although I did feel it was style over substance at times. I probably enjoyed it more after watching the DVD extras, and learning more about Andreotti the person since I knew nothing about him beforehand, and they go some way to explaining why you learn little about him in the film because he was such an enigma in real life. It was a bit convoluted at times, but so was Andreotti's connections; perhaps the structure of the film suits the subject matter but I felt the overuse of camera trickery got in the way of telling a fascinating political story.

I prefer his 'Family Friend' over both this and 'Consequences of Love': part of the problem for me was keeping track of the large number of characters he introduced, where I would rather they were introduced gradually, or we could work them out for ourselves.
In his Q&A session I believe he said he had planned, or would have liked to make it as some kind of 'rock opera', a la 'Evita'


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 Post subject: Re: Il divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
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Personally I don't see the character problem. It seemed just fine and easy to follow for me, and I probably went in knowing less then most of you. As for the style stuff, yeah it does overpower at times, but I felt it was used in a helpful way to the film. Also I felt there was a very human story there. The one moment I remember most strongly was the one human moment Andreotti has in the film. Of course it sounds like I'm the minority though.


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 Post subject: Re: Il divo (Paolo Sorrentino, 2008)
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knives wrote:
Personally I don't see the character problem. It seemed just fine and easy to follow for me, and I probably went in knowing less then most of you. As for the style stuff, yeah it does overpower at times, but I felt it was used in a helpful way to the film. Also I felt there was a very human story there. The one moment I remember most strongly was the one human moment Andreotti has in the film. Of course it sounds like I'm the minority though.

In the Q&A here, an audience member pointed out that Ireland's late, unlamented (?), and similarly Macchiavellian Prime Minister, Charles Haughey, was a huge admirer (of Andreotti)


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