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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#26 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:06 am

CineKink (mildly NSFW). I'd love to go to this some year.

S&M Judge. Despite the corny and too-on-the-nose title, this looks rather good. It got a solid thumbs up from the NCSF (National Coalition for Sexual Freedom).

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#28 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:46 pm

Kenneth Anger's aborted attempt at The Story Of O.

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#29 Post by Anhedionisiac » Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:13 pm

Año Bisiesto which won this year's Camera D'Or at Cannes supposedly deals with the subject in a manner both fair and unflinching. I think it's going to be distributed in the US by Strand Releasing...

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#30 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:29 am

The latest film from Eric Schaeffer, After Fall, Winter explores the subject of the relationship between an American writer and a French dominatrix.

Edit: and it completely sucks.
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#31 Post by Michael Kerpan » Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:09 pm

High school sado-masochism -- Akihiko Shiota's Gekko no saseyaki / Moonlight Whispers (1999).

Warning -- Apparently some copies of the Region 1 DVD were defective, and wouldn't play the end of the film.

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#32 Post by Siddon » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:25 pm

Tokyo Decadence is likely the best film I've seen on the subject matter. The film has a very Lynchian lyrical ness of the film. It's the story of a young timid college student walking through BDSM scenes in an economically collapsed Tokyo. The scenes blend between the horrific and the sexual, it was good enough to merit a sequel Tokyo Decadence II which is more of a hyperactive version that reflects the anime aspect of Japanese culture.

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#33 Post by tarpilot » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:31 am

This is a major thread throughout Kōji Wakamatsu's work, perhaps most explicitly in The Embryo Hunts in Secret, and Shunichi Nagasaki's Heart, Beating in the Dark would probably worth checking out for those with an interest in the subject.

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#34 Post by Yojimbo » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:54 am

Jean-Luc Garbo wrote:Don't forget Maitresse .
I think 'Maitresse' featured a number of actual dominatrix clients.
Bulle Ogier to me looked very convincing in her 'switches' of mood,-in and out of costume,- and it featured another fine performance from the Golden Age of Depardieu, when he hardly put a foot wrong

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#35 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:56 pm

Universal/Focus have just picked up the film rights for the 50 Shades Of Gray trilogy, which started life as Twilight fan fiction and has now sold very well (especially with women).

I haven't read the books, but from what I've read it reads more like a trashy paperback with Fabio on the cover than anything by the likes of Laura Antoniou and Pat Calfia. So the possibility of what may end up being a watered-down version of Secretary with clear nods to the Twilight stories is for someone like me, possibly vomit-enducing.
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#36 Post by Matt » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:48 pm

From what I gather, all of the Twilight references have been scrubbed, but that may be small consolation.

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#37 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:17 pm

Yeah, but from what I'm hearing the influence runs pretty deep in them still. Removing any personal misgivings I might have, I can kind of see how it would be able to work as a Hollywood franchise, albeit maybe not as widespread as the Twilight and now Hunger Games craze is. It's also possibly playing off of Sony's attempt to make the Millenium trilogy a "franchise for adults".

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#38 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:08 pm

Trailer for Kink (very NSFW). Trying to define this through the spectrum of a (albeit well-meaning) porn company is akin to trying to find out the secrets of greco-roman or Olympian style wrestling by watching Beyond The Mat. Oddly enough there was a Canadian series with the same name as this film that aired for five seasons (and the first two of which are streaming on Netflix and Amazon) that I felt sort of covered it on the normal level, of people who do it in their personal lives and find their love and affection through it. But I'd be very happy to be wrong about this, though. If people come away thinking of this in a different light, then I have no room to complain.

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#39 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:22 am

Remedy (somewhat NSFW), a film written and directed by someone I've come across on a fetish website I'm on, and have talked to directly a few times, is having quite the difficulty getting off the ground. Which to me is sad because it seems to have come from a real place, and with the 50 Shades movie looming, would act as a proper alternative. It has a Kickstarter account that's been poorly funded so far, which is sad because it's been a long journey for her so far to have it come this close and not get the needed support. Fortunately there's a premiere in Seattle soon, which could help it get seen.

I should say at this point I'm not trying to be a shill for this, something I've been accused of once this week by someone. Not that I'd expect it from anyone here, but the previous experience was embarrassing enough (looking back, I should have gone through proper channels and it likely wouldn't have happened that way) that I feel the need to say as much now.

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Fifty Shades of Grey (Sam Taylor-Johnson, 2015)

#40 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:11 pm

I'm only starting this because of some legislation that passed in the UK today, restricting British pornographers from filming things such as (spoiler tags for anyone viewing this from work)
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...spanking, caning and whipping beyond a gentle level; penetration by any object "associated with violence"; activities that can be classed as "life-endangering", such as strangulation and facesitting; fisting, if all knuckles are inserted; physical or verbal abuse, even if consensual; the portrayal of non-consensual sex; urination in various sexual contexts; and female ejaculation.
This article goes more in depth with recent problems like these in the UK. NSFW quite obviously.

This will bring up an interesting series of events for Universal in the UK, or more likely the moral majority possibly poised by this recent ruling, to wreak some havoc towards it's opening there.

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#41 Post by TMDaines » Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:49 am

To be honest, I thought this legislation was already in place. It's absurd, obviously, in what is supposed to be a modern, liberal country, but ultimately the country is far more prudish and conservative than many of us would like to admit.

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#42 Post by MichaelB » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:11 am

Yes, isn't this part of the 2008 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act? I came up against it myself a few months ago when I had to remove a few seconds of genuine bestiality from one of Walerian Borowczyk's shorts.

(Believe me, I scoured the legislation for any wiggle room, but I couldn't find any and the BBFC couldn't either.)

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#43 Post by med » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:34 am

I appreciate the knuckle count. Four is OK but all five will tear apart the very fabric of society. (Among other things!)

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#44 Post by EddieLarkin » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:40 am

MichaelB wrote:Yes, isn't this part of the 2008 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act?
No, this is the Audiovisual Media Services Regulations 2014. The 2008 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act defines "extreme porn" and makes it an offence to own it, whilst the Audiovisual Media Services Regulations 2014 basically forces the UK porn industry in line with BBFC guidelines (referred to as "the video works authority" in the regulations).

In other words, anything that is outside the boundaries of R18 is now prohibited from being produced and sold as online VOD in the UK. Anything that comes under R18 must be behind a CAC system ("Content Access Control (CAC) are systems that 1) verify the user is aged 18 or over and 2) require each time the user returns a security control, like a password or PIN number, is used").

Basically, much like the 2008 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, it makes greater the list of things British people are legally allowed to do in the privacy of their own homes, but cannot make videos of for commercial purposes.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#45 Post by TMDaines » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:04 am

med wrote:I appreciate the knuckle count. Four is OK but all five will tear apart the very fabric of society. (Among other things!)
It is hilarious. I would love to have been in the room during that conversation.

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#46 Post by MichaelB » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:11 am

TMDaines wrote:
med wrote:I appreciate the knuckle count. Four is OK but all five will tear apart the very fabric of society. (Among other things!)
It is hilarious. I would love to have been in the room during that conversation.
The BBFC used to have something called the ILOOLI rule regarding 18-certificate films, which was "inner labia out, outer labia in". In other words, Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct was OK, but if she'd been more revealing she might not have been.

(One of my midwife/ultrasonographer wife's pet peeves is the way people thoughtlessly/ignorantly use the word "vagina" to describe a woman's entire pubic area, whereas in fact it's vanishingly rare for actual vaginas - as in the muscular tube linking the womb to the inner labia - to be visible in non-pornographic films, and this was very much intentional on the BBFC's part!)

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#47 Post by Dr Amicus » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:09 am

MichaelB wrote:The BBFC used to have something called the ILOOLI rule regarding 18-certificate films, which was "inner labia out, outer labia in". In other words, Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct was OK, but if she'd been more revealing she might not have been.
I thought ILOOLI applied to R18s as well - at least until the BBFC surreptitiously changed their rules in about 1998/9, before having to backpedal when Jack Straw learned what they had done - although the increased liberalisation did take place a couple of years later (following extensive consultation IIRC).

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#48 Post by matrixschmatrix » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:10 am

That list of acts flyonthewall posted seems like a haphazard mixture of things one might understandably want to ban- rape and strangling make some kind of sense, though I suppose there's still a debate to be had there- and things that seem like pure misogynistic prudery, like banning the depiction of female ejaculation. Is there any language defining how that list was arrived at, or is it just "here's some stuff we think is gross"?

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#49 Post by Dr Amicus » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:12 am

I believe that the BBFC do not accept that female ejaculation exists - and therefore what is shown is effectively urination.

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#50 Post by med » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:33 am

Just a few steps away from the banning of any sex scene that doesn't start with the man telling the woman to close her eyes and think of England.

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