The Notorious Bettie Page (Mary Harron, 2005)

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#1 Post by Fletch F. Fletch » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:07 pm

I had read awhile ago that Liv Tyler was supposed to star in a biopic of Page but it looks like this one beat it to the punch. This movie has been getting some good notices and I like Mary Harron's movies so far. Here's a link to an interview she did in the L.A. Times:

http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-c ... s-features

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Release Date: March 10, 2006 (limited)
Studio: Picturehouse
Director: Mary Harron
Screenwriter: Mary Harron, Guinevere Turner
Starring: Gretchen Mol, Lili Taylor, Jonathan M. Woodward, David Strathairn, Cara Seymour, Tara Subkoff, Kevin Carroll
Genre: Drama
Plot Summary: Page was the ultimate girl-next door, and one of the most popular Playboy centerfolds. Page challenged the conservative 1950s, posing as a fierce dominatrix and earning both a cult underground following and Senate Committee investigation on juvenile delinquency, essentially a witch-hunt orchestrated by a senator from her home state of Tennessee bent on exploiting her as a stepping stone to the White House. At the height of her popularity, Bettie disappeared. But in 1979 and 1982, Page (a diagnosed schizophrenic) tried to stab several people to death and was institutionalized.

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#2 Post by oldsheperd » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:01 pm

Bettie Page is the worst retro-fad ever. Nothing like beaing around a bunch of college girls who are into Bettie Page, Suicide Girls and Rock-A-Billy, You couldn't be more trendy than that.

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#3 Post by Jean-Luc Garbo » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:30 pm

Who's playing Bunny Yeager? Any word of the rating?

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#4 Post by backstreetsbackalright » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:02 pm

oldsheperd wrote:Nothing like beaing around a bunch of college girls who are into Bettie Page, Suicide Girls and Rock-A-Billy, You couldn't be more trendy than that.
Let's be fair, there are certainly worse ways to spend an evening - like being around a bunch of college boys who are into Bettie Page, Suicide Girls and Rock-A-Billy.

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#5 Post by Polybius » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:21 am

I see the sunnier color scheme hasn't lightened the mood around here yet...

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#6 Post by rs98762001 » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:46 am

Now for the important question that only the true cineaste would dare ask - how naked does Gretchen Mol get?

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#7 Post by Polybius » Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:50 am

Only two or three scenes, but that apparently includes a full frontal.

She's a much better choice than Liv Tyler for this particular role, IMHO.

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#8 Post by Andre Jurieu » Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:56 am

AMB wrote:Who's playing Bunny Yeager?
I believe that would be Sarah Paulson.
oldshepard wrote:Bettie Page is the worst retro-fad ever. Nothing like beaing around a bunch of college girls who are into Bettie Page, Suicide Girls and Rock-A-Billy, You couldn't be more trendy than that.
I don't know if it's still trendy. Isn't it kind of 3-5 years ago, or is this stuff still kicking around?
backstreetsbackalright wrote:Let's be fair, there are certainly worse ways to spend an evening - like being around a bunch of college boys who are into Bettie Page, Suicide Girls and Rock-A-Billy.
Yeah, that was the feeling I had when I attended the screening of this movie at TIFF. I was interested to see what Harron was up to, but about 80% of the crowd was Bettie Page fans. Funny thing is that a fight broke out between two guys while people were getting seats, and one of them accidentally smacked some girl in the face during their nerd-fight. It had to be one of the greatest displays of cool ever.

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#9 Post by Jem » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:30 am

Funny thing is that a fight broke out between two guys while people were getting seats, and one of them accidentally smacked some girl in the face during their nerd-fight. It had to be one of the greatest displays of cool ever.
Love this.
I don't know if it's still trendy. Isn't it kind of 3-5 years ago, or is this stuff still kicking around?
Agreed, the whole retro Betty Page thing is very 3 years ago.

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#10 Post by ben d banana » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:56 am

Or 15 years ago.

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#11 Post by Theodore R. Stockton » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:02 pm

What is a Suicide Girl?

From what I have gathered from Something Weird commentaries, Betty Page did nothing. She stole her famous look from Bunny Yeager and after she got popular she got hooked up with a photographer who was already known for bondage (so, she used her popularity to expose his style). I just don't get what there is to make a movie about.

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#12 Post by lord_clyde » Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:53 pm

Theodore R. Stockton wrote:What is a Suicide Girl?
Punk rock porn.

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#14 Post by Polybius » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:28 am

Andre Jurieu wrote:
AMB wrote:Who's playing Bunny Yeager?
I believe that would be Sarah Paulson.
I didn't recognize that name before. The devious and sexy Pinkerton from Deadwood, Miss Isringhausen. Cool.

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#15 Post by Andre Jurieu » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:53 am

Polybius wrote:
Andre Jurieu wrote:
AMB wrote:Who's playing Bunny Yeager?
I believe that would be Sarah Paulson.
I didn't recognize that name before. The devious and sexy Pinkerton from Deadwood, Miss Isringhausen. Cool.
... with the weird lisp that makes her more attractive for some reason.

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#16 Post by postmodern-chuck » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:19 pm

On one hand, I'm curious how Mary Harron -- whose scathing, brilliant American Psycho inverted a misogynist, gore-soaked text into a feminist satire of eighties masculinity and consumerism -- will approach the innate sexism of the pin-up business and explore the values of said system from her own unique stand-point. At the same time, Betty Page is an interest vacuum for me, and this trailer only confirms the disdain for the pin-up model. Considering I had to once live with a gaggle of those college kids obsessed with Betty Page and Suicide Girls, I think it's safe to say (1) the mystery eludes me and (2) I could care less about it. Judging from this, the film looks like a garish pastiche of retro-lens pansexuality goofed up with a couple of spoonfuls of high camps -- none of which looks particularly interesting, only tired.

Shame, shame on you, Mary Harron. And I thought you were made of sterner stuff.

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#17 Post by Fletch F. Fletch » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:53 pm

postmodern-chuck wrote:Shame, shame on you, Mary Harron. And I thought you were made of sterner stuff.
:roll: Let's not judge a film based on its trailer. As we all know, trailers can be very misleading.

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#18 Post by Fletch F. Fletch » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:03 pm

A nice interview with Harron in The New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/02/movies/02durb.html
As Costume Dramas Go, Bettie Page's Is Rather Brief

By KAREN DURBIN
Published: April 2, 2006

MARY HARRON tackles hot subjects with movies that are cool in both senses of the word. In "I Shot Andy Warhol" (1996), she slyly captured the dizzying self-regard of Warhol's Factory denizens while giving Lili Taylor the chance to be indelible as the artist's would-be killer, Valerie Solanas, the troubled Lower East Side playwright and irate founder of S.C.U.M. (Society for Cutting Up Men). And with "American Psycho" (2000), Ms. Harron streamlined the most reviled American novel since "Peyton Place" into the sleek, biting satire of 80's yuppie greed it was meant to be.

Ms. Harron explores an enduring icon of another era in "The Notorious Bettie Page," opening April 14 with Gretchen Mol in brunette bangs as the pinup queen of the sexually repressive 50's. Ms. Page, now 82, is a paradox: a reserved and religious woman who looks radiant posing in a Santa hat for Playboy's 1955 holiday nude centerfold and in rocket-ship bras and spike-heeled boots for lesbian bondage scenarios. In a time of bold divisions between good girls and bad, Ms. Page colored outside the lines.

So does the Canadian-born, Oxford-educated Ms. Harron, whose visually adventurous new film drew praise on the festival circuit and some sharp complaints for not probing its subject's psyche more deeply. Speaking recently from the Brooklyn home she shares with the filmmaker John Walsh and their two daughters, she talked about why "The Notorious Bettie Page" bypasses the usual tell-all tropes of a conventional biopic to show a woman who, domesticating lust as effectively as Hugh Hefner ever did, became a magnet for a decade's thrilled, guilty, convoluted attitudes toward sex.

KAREN DURBIN: A Bettie Page revival got under way in the late 70's, and now her image is on everything from art books to lunchboxes. Is that what sparked your interest?

MARY HARRON: In 1993, I worked on a short-lived Fox TV show with Sam Green, who later made "The Weather Underground," and he gave me a fanzine that included one of those banal photos of her in S & M gear. Fox said we could do a segment with her on camera, but the whole thing about Bettie Page is that she won't be filmed or photographed. Even in the E! channel doc a few years ago, it was just her voice-over or her hand. Later Guin Turner, my co-writer on "American Psycho," and I decided to do it as a movie.

The more enigmatic Bettie became, the more interesting the world around her was. Sam became our researcher and found transcripts of the 1956 Kefauver Senate hearings into, of all things, juvenile delinquency. The corruption of youth was a subject of great interest in the 50's and a good way to get publicity. Estes Kefauver wanted to run for president.

Q: You use the hearings to bookend Bettie's experience. We see her early on, nervously waiting to testify and at the end, when they let her go.

A: The Kefauver hearings were about pornography. Investigating the pinup magazines led to the subterranean world of bondage magazines, and that's where most of the obscenity prosecutions came from. Bettie became interesting to me in her contradictions. She was from Nashville, and she'd always been religious — that's part of Southern culture.

Q: And yet her photos show you a woman who doesn't think she's doing anything bad.

A: As opposed to the culture around her. I was always interested in her and the 50's.

Q: Which you evoke by shooting a lot of the film in black and white. It makes the hearings look much scarier, while the opening shot of a darkly gleaming Times Square looks thrillingly sinful.

A: Maybe because I started out researching documentaries, I've always been interested in a person in history, in their time. I can't separate those, particularly with women. Women in the 20th century are astonishing, how much their lives changed. Today, people think who you are is all about internal psychology and what your parents are like. But it's also about your era and where you were born and your class, too, which American films hardly address at all.

Bettie and all those sex goddesses were poor girls — Marilyn Monroe, Rita Hayworth, Lana Turner and all the strippers. [Laughing] Grace Kelly was not a pinup! So I think that's part of what made them interesting: what sex made possible for them. Girls could make a fortune. Bettie didn't get a scholarship to Vanderbilt, so she became a secretary, making very small money. And she couldn't make it as an actress, so she becomes a pinup queen.

Q: But you do signal early on that there were psychosexual factors in Bettie's life as well — abuse by her father as an adolescent. And when she's a young woman still in Nashville, there's a horrific encounter with a group of supposedly "nice" boys.

A: Yes, but this is very delicate. Guin and I didn't want to make a Hollywood cautionary tale. The fact is, Bettie wasn't ashamed, and you can see that in her work. What you get from the photographs isn't the usual shame, or a woman in dangerous circumstances. Instead you get power and joy, this 'Look at me, I'm getting to show off, and isn't that great!' I think in posing she found a way of getting enormous satisfaction. I think she was very sexualized, as kids who've been abused tend to be, but she finds a way to express it that's triumphant for her — and safe. She felt the power of getting all that attention, but it was attention she could control because she was the star.

Q: It struck me in the movie that as pleasant and charming as she is, she always has a certain remoteness from the men in her life.

A: Yes, she had sort of an invisible shield around her. Even though she had boyfriends and married three times, you never felt she was totally with someone. She was very much walking through life alone. And never did she have a truly close friend, a girlfriend she shared confidences with. She was only close to her sisters.

Q: Where did you get your info?

A: Interviews with people who knew her and two biographies. The one we optioned is "The Real Bettie Page," which deals with very bad stuff that happened as she got older. She'd had this heyday in the 50's, but after that she became born-again, divorced her second husband and wanted to become a missionary, so she went back to the South and remarried her first husband. When that failed, she became obsessed with religion, really fanatical. In her 40's, she married again and once held her husband and his children at knifepoint, making them stand for hours looking at a picture of Jesus. She was obviously ill and eventually hospitalized.

Q: What do you make of this? And did you consider including it in the movie?

A: You know, I think you can have the beginnings of mental illness, but if your life is going well, that can get pushed aside. But not if you're cast adrift: in middle age, Bettie had no anchors and she was losing her looks, which had been her identity. So religion became her identity. We tried to write a script that flashes forward to include some of this. But inevitably it becomes a very punitive story: sexual abuse plus bondage equals madness. And that's not the truth of her life, not even now.

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#19 Post by David Ehrenstein » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:02 pm

A disapoointingly bland affair from start to finish. Moll is game but too thin to play Bettie. And there's no dramatic progression. It's all set-up. No follow-through.

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#20 Post by ben d banana » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:55 pm

So no oral then?

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#21 Post by David Ehrenstein » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:22 pm

Nope.

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#22 Post by filmfan » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:00 am

I've never understood the seemingly rabid appeal of this woman, other than the fact that she is worshipped for some reason that completely escapes me !

PLEASE explain it to me !

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#23 Post by Polybius » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:26 am

Absconding from the scene while still young, rather than hanging around and vamping it up at the age of 74 like Angie Dickinson and Mamie Van Doren have and still do, plays into it.

She's sort of like the exploitation Garbo.

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#24 Post by Antoine Doinel » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:38 am

I for one am looking forward to this movie. Equating pin-ups with Suicide Girls is grossly misleading. Suicide Girls show far more skin (and tattoos) than Page ever did - she's downright wholesome in comparison. I think - and hope - Harron expands her gaze to sexual mores of the time, not unlike Kinsey.

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#25 Post by filmfan » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:56 am

Polybius wrote:Absconding from the scene while still young, rather than hanging around and vamping it up at the age of 74 like Angie Dickinson and Mamie Van Doren have and still do, plays into it.

She's sort of like the exploitation Garbo.

I just never understood the lack of charisma she seems to have, considering she has average to below-average looks.

Whatever turns you on !

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