Flower (Max Winkler, 2018)

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Flower (Max Winkler, 2018)

#1 Post by domino harvey » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:46 am

Old news but I hasn't heard about it til seeing it listed in the Tribeca FF program, but Max Winkler is finally following up his underrated comic gem Ceremony (I know swo is also a fan of this one) with Flower. It's based on a Black List script from 2012 that tied with Whiplash and Hell or High Water in their rankings, so hopefully this isn't like Phil Morrison finally following up Junebug with All is Bright!

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#2 Post by swo17 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:04 pm

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#3 Post by PfR73 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:51 pm

That's great to hear. I just purchased Ceremony on Blu-Ray last week (saw it at SXSW several years ago) and was wondering why he'd not made another film.

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Re: Flower (Max Winkler, 2017)

#4 Post by domino harvey » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:56 pm

Here's the festival's thumbnail
“Flower”
Director: Max Winkler, Screenwriters: Alex McAulay, Max Winkler, Matt Spicer
Rebellious and quick-witted, 17-year-old firecracker Erica Vandross (Zoey Deutch) kills time with her friends gawking at older men in bowling alleys and sexually scheming guys out of their money. However, her biggest scheme is still to come when her mother asks her boyfriend and his troubled, fresh-out-of-rehab son to move in with them in this biting dark comedy. With Kathryn Hahn, Adam Scott, Tim Heidecker, Joey Morgan, Dylan Gelula. (World Premiere)

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#5 Post by domino harvey » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:05 pm

Has anyone heard any updates on a release date for this?

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#7 Post by domino harvey » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:24 pm

Surprised they're not moving this up to capitalize on the timeliness of its premise (though even that's a little bait and switch-y in the trailer, from what I understand), but glad there's finally a release on the horizon

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Re: Flower (Max Winkler, 2018)

#8 Post by Black Hat » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:57 pm

Wow all this time I thought Zoey Deutch from this and Everybody Wants Some, Haley Lu Richardson from Edge of Seventeen, Split and Columbus and Kathryn Newton from Big Little Lies were the same actress.

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Re: Flower (Max Winkler, 2018)

#10 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:46 pm

Much more promising trailer, looks great

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Re: Flower (Max Winkler, 2018)

#11 Post by DarkImbecile » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:57 pm

Max Winkler's Flower is either a tone deaf, morally repulsive disaster, or a portrait of selfishness and entitlement that semi-brilliantly walks a line of unreliability and ambiguity like the edgy teen romcom version of Taxi Driver, committed to the perspective of the protagonist for better or worse. Having just seen it, I think I'm coming down closer to the latter, but I'm not so firm in that opinion that I couldn't be swayed.

Zoey Deutch’s Erica is basically the female version of Jonah Hill’s Superbad character wreaking havoc in what would otherwise be a fairly standard Sundance family dramedy, alternately aggravating and charming her mother (Kathryn Hahn) and prospective stepfather and stepbrother (Tim Heidecker and Joey Morgan, respectively), while conspiring with her girlfriends to scam older men, until the Adam Scott character becomes more significant than just the “hot old guy at the bowling alley”, and the plot takes... quite a turn.

I've never seen Ceremony, Winkler's previous feature effort, so I have no idea if it was a similarly dark comedy - Flower was seemingly workshopped to be as misaligned as possible with prevailing attitudes toward sexuality and abuse - or if this most recent effort is an outlier, but the script and performances here lean hard into the punch Winkler had to know would be coming from a sizable chunk of the critical community.

Either way, Deutch gives a striking lead performance, and the shift this film makes at the two-thirds mark is surprising to say the least. Even with my charitable interpretation of what the film is doing, it’s not great, but it’s worth seeing for Deutch and for its various provocations (even if what different viewers see as provocative about it will vary).

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Re: Flower (Max Winkler, 2018)

#12 Post by domino harvey » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:36 pm

One of Ceremony's greatest virtues was in setting up familiar narrative beats and then circumventing the expected outcome. Making a film about abuse that doesn't tow the socially excepted line sounds quite bold and perhaps of a piece with that aspect, though nothing I recall in Ceremony could really be considered controversial to most audiences

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