mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#151 Post by All the Best People » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:22 am

A sincere question: is there anyone who actually likes this movie for its allegorical content, rather than despite of it or regardless of it?

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#152 Post by swo17 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:50 am

Yes?

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#153 Post by DarkImbecile » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:29 am

Yes.

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#154 Post by domino harvey » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:46 am

I believe it's stylized yes!

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#155 Post by All the Best People » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:27 am

I guess I should have included in the question the follow-up of (to style it appropriately) why?!

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#156 Post by Lost Highway » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:28 am

All the Best People wrote:A sincere question: is there anyone who actually likes this movie for its allegorical content, rather than despite of it or regardless of it?
Apart from that I think that the film’s content is inseparable from its form, what it has to say about a (male) god who scorches the earth rather than to give up the adulation he feels he is due, is timely in several ways.

On a another note, I haven’t seen much praise for Javier Bardem, but his performance is what really makes the film work for me. The way he cloaks his betrayal of mother by appearing caring and loving, is ultimately the scariest thing in the film.

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#157 Post by domino harvey » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:11 am

He's one note but convincing in his empty confidence and reassurances. Speaking of non-Lawrence perfs, I loved that Aronofsky cast Stephen McHattie as one of the main zealots, as he's a massively underrated actor of great intensity and discomfort, and as such a perfect fit here!

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#158 Post by Shrew » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:55 pm

Allegory, in its classic sense, isn't supposed to be hidden meaning so much as a clear overlying symbol or narrative. This film's use of allegory is more similar to that than to the modern usage of ambiguous (and often political) double meaning that is often obscure and can be read in many different ways. Thus, all the talk about how the allegory is too obvious doesn't strike me as a legitimate complaint.

Also, what interests me about Mother's use of allegory is how it changes the story/interactions we see on screen. In other words, the goal is not to recognize the allegory but to enjoy how the allegory enriches and shades aspects of what is on screen.

Also this film beats Mel Gibson for recapturing the horror of the Passion of the Christ.

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#159 Post by Magic Hate Ball » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:24 am

domino harvey wrote:He's one note but convincing in his empty confidence and reassurances. Speaking of non-Lawrence perfs, I loved that Aronofsky cast Stephen McHattie as one of the main zealots, as he's a massively underrated actor of great intensity and discomfort, and as such a perfect fit here!
Kristen Wiig was the standout side role for me, the film uses her scary, nervous energy so well and her unexpected appearance is extremely in-line with the film's dream tone.

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)

#160 Post by barryconvex » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:59 am

I wish it didn't take prestige directors having to first make x amount of money for their financiers before being allowed to direct something as wildly not mainstream as mother!... As such though, this is as great a realization of an uncompromising artistic vision by a semi-mainstream american director as i can think of. Not just recent recollection either; considering the subject matter and the degree of difficulty in achieving it this sort of airtight conception and execution just doesn't come around very often. Fantastic discussion here and i wanted to add that as i was watching none of the bible allegory hit me until afterwards and even then it was second to my reaction that mother! was closer in spirit to Shel Silverstein's The Giving Tree than anything in the old testament. The excessively high cost and diminished returns of playing the muse in a masochistic relationship being the most obvious common ground...


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