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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:22 pm 
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My theory is that WB is trying to end the comic book craze by heightening contradictions


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 Post subject: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:52 pm 
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WB has at least 4 movies (5 if he's in "THE BATMAN") featuring the Joker in development, and 3 of them are with Jared Leto...


I’ve heard these are mostly rumors though. Can’t see even one Leto-led Joker getting made.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:27 am 
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Apparently Scorsese is only involved in some misguided attempt to get Leonardo DiCaprio to be in a WB movie


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:42 am 
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Isn't he doing a Captain Planet movie?


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:51 am 
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I don't believe he was ever supposed to be starring in it, as that would be literally the most insane thing to have ever happened.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:52 am 
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Does anyone who's followed DiCaprio's career really believe he'd show up in any superhero movie, much less one directed by the Hangover guy?


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:23 pm 
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Ribs wrote:
I don't believe he was ever supposed to be starring in it, as that would be literally the most insane thing to have ever happened.


*coughs*


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:10 pm 
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Well, Leo is starting to look like his buddy Jack Nicholson in some photos, so playing the Joker would somewhat parallel their careers too.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:19 pm 
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Michelle Williams (!) to co-star in Venom -- well, we all saw that coming


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:56 pm 
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JUSTICE LEAGUE - Official Heroes Trailer


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:38 pm 
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While only my 3rd Marvel movie (liked the first Avengers, couldn’t stand the second) Thor Ragnarok is a hoot.


See it in 3D. The colors are amazing, and it’s full of UK deadpan humor. Jeff Goldblum fits in nicely. It was so much fun, that I was only mildly irritated when it started to tell its story.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:11 pm 
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Kiwi, not UK.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:38 am 
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I'd agree on Thor Ragnarok - it's a lot of fun. Story wise it's a mess, and Blanchett is largely wasted (but she's clearly having fun as what is effectively a panto villain, you can almost hear the boos and hisses when she comes on screen) but there is always a laugh just coming up - often just when you think the film is about to get too serious or sentimental. Taika Waititi's own character - the motion captures Korg - is a particular highlight and, crucially, not overused.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:47 pm 
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So, Rotten Tomatoes will announce their score of Justice League *after* reviews are released. It’s an interesting move forcing fans to read reviews instead of relying on the score even though in all likelihood it’s cause Warner expects a poor score.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:01 pm 
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From what I've been seeing on Twitter with critics first impressions it's probably going to be exactly what you can expect from this line of DC movies. That stuff involving Rotten Tomatoes should tell you all you need to know.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:37 am 
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That's really "conspiracy theory" stuff and I doubt Warner is telling them to delay it (that's along the lines of the fanboys who say Marvel/DC pay off critics), especially since the reviews I've seen so far haven't been scathing if not heaping praise. They seem to be saving its "unveiling" for their new weekly program called See It/Skip It, I assume to get a shit-ton of views, and this is a good film to do it with. If they unveil it sooner I doubt they will get much.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:41 pm 
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cdnchris wrote:
That's really "conspiracy theory" stuff and I doubt Warner is telling them to delay it (that's along the lines of the fanboys who say Marvel/DC pay off critics), especially since the reviews I've seen so far haven't been scathing if not heaping praise. They seem to be saving its "unveiling" for their new weekly program called See It/Skip It, I assume to get a shit-ton of views, and this is a good film to do it with. If they unveil it sooner I doubt they will get much.

Given that Warner owns a 30% stake in RT's parent company I wouldn't call it a "conspiracy theory" to think that past DCEU RT ratings might've played some role in this decision.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:43 pm 
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I still seriously doubt that, though. If they didn't want it to get out they would either embargo the reviews or not screen it for critics. It makes more sense that RT just wants the views for what I'm sure will be the debut of really stupid weekly show they want to launch.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:34 pm 
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So, it looks like Justice League is, financially, a total bust, looking at $96 million for the weekend, which, according to Forbes, is "$70 million less than Batman v Superman, $37m less than Suicide Squad, $32m less than Man of Steel and $7m less than Wonder Woman". This is on a reported $250-$300 million budget (albeit affected by reshoots), and the film, which made about $185.5 million overseas, is looking at $281.5 million worldwide come Monday, when it was tracked to be at $325 million worldwide. Supposedly, the film needs at least $700-$750 million to break even for WB, and I don't know if it will get there.

I saw it yesterday morning, with a grand total of about five people in an IMAX DMR showing, and it was an utter failure for me, mostly because despite it's reported budget, you don't see nearly that amount of money on the screen. I was surprised that there is very little obvious international location work in a film that requires disparate heroes to band together and engage in fighting. Most of the film takes place inside sets, or via shoddy CGI backgrounds, and there is very little sense of an epic adventure, even though there is one sequence blatantly in Northern Europe (it's Iceland), this is in service of Batfleck recruiting Aqua(lung)man, and you basically see everything they do with the location in the trailers. As a non-comics fan, none of the new heroes interested me enough to go see a solo film, though I've just found out Nicole Kidman will be in Aqua(lung)man next year, so depending on how big her role is (I imagine she'll do most of the Acting in the film) I may go see it.

It is also painfully obvious which sequences were originally shot by Zack Snyder, and which were reshoots done by Joss Whedon. I saw a list of changes online, and was totally stunned by how many were obvious to me as I remembered the film. There are sequences where actors (mostly Affleck) look uncomfortable, and scenes where hairstyles change from shot to shot due to the reshoots. Finally, there is a painfully bemusing issue with a mustache on Henry Cavill, which had to be digitally removed for the reshoots, rendering Cavill's mouth like a video game character. I genuinely feel bad for the effects houses on this film, because I'm sure some of the issues are down to studio interference (and again, reshoots), but there is still no excuse for a top-tier tentpole film to look this bad. The production also made the perilous decision to have an all-CGI villain, and the end result is as underwhelming as the character is. The soundtrack by Danny Elfman was all over the place, too.

Truly, it is a mess of a franken-film, and that it is at all watchable is down to some surprisingly serviceable acting. Still, to me, this is proof that only a small contingent of fans appreciate what DC, WB and Zack Snyder did for three of the previous four "DCEU" films, and that most people got so burned by the horrorshow that was Batman v Superman that not even DCs answer to Marvel's Avengers could save the series.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:25 am 
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Saw Justice League today and it’s really as bad as everyone says it is. Pretty much agree with everything McCrutchy wrote above. God, the cgi mouth on Henry Cavill was incredibly distracting to the point where nothing else in a scene matters. The all CG villain was a terrible decision. Marvel is out there getting Cate Blanchett to play their villain and DC responds with a cartoon. I did like some of the supporting cast and there’s some potential there for fun standalone Flash or Cyborg movies.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:17 am 
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Luke M wrote:
Marvel is out there getting Cate Blanchett to play their villain and DC responds with a cartoon. I did like some of the supporting cast and there’s some potential there for fun standalone Flash or Cyborg movies.

It was pretty shitty for a number of reasons, but the endless cartoon look may have been the biggest reason. Hearing that Hinds was playing the villain seemed promising but it's just a voice performance sadly because, like you said, he's a cartoon. Even my kids commented the film looked like a video game.

Worst of all it was dull. It rushed through everything with one lazily written scene after another, never building up much, and it feels like they're just trying to get through the film as quickly as possible (which is a bit of a blessing, thank God the film is under 2 hours).

I come back to the last Guardians movie and think about how that film was essentially all CGI but there was a life to it, an actual world/universe. That CGI raccoon has more personality (and a surprisingly complex one at that) than all of the characters in this movie combined. And the villain was a planet and yet they didn't go the cartoon route with him.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:14 am 
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Avengers: Infinity War trailer


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:42 pm 
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Agree completely on the Justice League assessment. And Chris, it looks like a video game because the powers that be at WB saw how much the Injustice video game series sold and they wanted the DCCU to replicate that. That has been how most of the DC staff that I know told me firsthand during conventions. After the negative reaction for everything they had done pre-Wonder Woman, and the box office and critical success that WW got, they decided to change the course and be more like Marvel. Again, the main problem besides the bad CGI, miscasts (I'm looking at you Affleck and Ezra), and bad direction by Snyder, is the fact that they deviate so much from the rich source material. It pains me to see this as I'm as big or more of a DC Comics fan than Marvel. Wonder Woman was so great because Gadot did an amazing job, the direction was great and the source was use heavily on the story. I heavily suspect that DC is going to do a in-story reboot for their universes soon as Affleck seems kin on leaving the role and the other films are having issues getting off the ground.

Infinity War on the other hand seems very interesting, not only because of all the heroes appearing in the film(s) but because it's bringing closure to this 10 year story arc. The fanboy in me would love to see these films bring back the red-headed stepchild, Agents of SHIELD, back to the main story and be part of the movies, even if it is just a cameo. Ditto for the Defenders and Punisher.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 pm 
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As someone who is no big fan of comics, if there must be more movies, then really all I am interested in is getting more Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman (I think they're colloquially known as the Trinity) movies, until DC can show me a solid standalone feature with somebody else. While I actually thought Watchmen was very good, I think WB were outright foolish to stick with Zack Snyder for three straight disappointing blockbuster films, when, in most situations, directors are lucky to even make one such film, let alone be allowed to compound their failures twice over.

I really wish all traces of these films not related to this "Trinity" would be wiped off the face of the planet, but the problem is that WB continued to show poor judgment by overlapping the production and release of Justice League with the production of Auqaman. In Justice League, Aquaman was fairly uninteresting, and basically existed to be shirtless, and to remain on land 90% of the time, so I'm not really enthused for a follow up film. While Nicole Kidman (!) being in it may convince me to see the film, I'm going to have to be impressed by the tone, visuals and the rest of the cast list before I decide to see it, and even then, I'm concerned about WB not making a proper effort to reset themselves if the Aquaman film does well, so that my desire to not add to its box office take may outweigh my desire to see it, regardless.

But honestly, right now, the only comic book movie I am excited for is Deadpool 2. I'm sure I'll end up seeing Avengers: Infinity Pool as well, because the Marvel movies aren't going away, and I did really enjoy Thor: Ragnarok (at least as much as Logan), as well as a few of the other bigger ones. But the Disney Marvel movies really are starting to run together now, and unfortunately, Black Panther is probably the best example of that--a film that looks incredibly generic, based on a hero that has only a cult following, and is probably being made now, only to shoehorn more diversity into the Marvel Universe right before Infinity Pool.

At least with Deadpool 2, the R-rating, comedy genre and larger budget could allow the film to go off in new, inventive directions. Add to that the fact that I found Ryan Reynolds' performance in the first film to be great, and you have a film that is exciting in its possibilities. The only thing that has me nervous is the "sequelitis" that is so common in films, and the issue with Tim Miller departing, and being replaced by David Leitch, but my hope is that with Reynolds and the holdover cast returning, Leitch won't be able to alter the successes of the first film in any damaging way.

But I do miss the days before all these comic book and fantasy films came out. I often wish we could return to the 80s when the box office used to be topped for weeks on end by films like Beverly Hills Cop, and there weren't nearly as many mediocre films being pushed out for a month and then tossed out onto video weeks later. I guess I just wish that studios would go back to taking more time on these projects, and allowing for success over greater periods of time, rather than forcing out a ton of family-friendly films to attract heavy opening weekend crowds at virtually all costs.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic Books on Film
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:26 pm 
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So yeah about Justice League. Here's an article from The Wrap with some real explanations as to why it's as bad as it is.

Here's why the film was shoved out the door. Hilarious!

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One executive told TheWrap Tsujihara and Emmerich “wanted to preserve their bonuses they would be paid before the merger,” and were worried that “if they pushed the movie, then their bonuses would have been pushed to the following year and they might not still be at the studio.”

That's incredible. Take a loss over the film for personal benefit in the short term. Incredible.


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