Dead or Deader wrote:The crossover between Hacksaw Ridge voters and supporters of Trump would be large enough to fit on the Van Diagram, given the demographic and the racist/misogynist statements of both sides My point was that supporting Gibson is reenforcing the belief that any white male can get away with literally anything in Hollywood, without while there are millions of female filmmakers who still can't get the financial backing behind their projects. In the Hollywood hegemony, this has to stopped and the Academy should be ashamed for giving Gibson a free past while turning the backs of those he seeks to discriminate.
Awards Season 2016
- Brian C
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- knives
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There's an argument to be made that the treatment of Gibson discourages non hegemonic individuals from joining mainstream cinema, but bringing up Trump is pointless and weakens the authority of the argument.
- Brian C
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Call me crazy, but I don't think the treatment of Gibson has been all that light. He was publicly savaged for what he did, he spent years in the movie wilderness, and even now that he's made a professional comeback he's still basically a punchline for most people. That seems proportional to the offense, which was minor enough on its own terms that I doubt most of the people who make fun of him or hold him in contempt even remember exactly what he did.
But I have little tolerance for this idea that we need to keep our pitchforks sharpened for people for all eternity; I just can't relate to that kind of punitive blacklisting mindset. I thought Hacksaw Ridge basically sucked, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that he was given the job of directing it, and aside from the poor quality of the film, I won't be bothered in the slightest if he is awarded for it. Unless we're given reason to believe that his behavior remains destructive or otherwise ugly, I feel it's time for the world to move on.
But I have little tolerance for this idea that we need to keep our pitchforks sharpened for people for all eternity; I just can't relate to that kind of punitive blacklisting mindset. I thought Hacksaw Ridge basically sucked, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that he was given the job of directing it, and aside from the poor quality of the film, I won't be bothered in the slightest if he is awarded for it. Unless we're given reason to believe that his behavior remains destructive or otherwise ugly, I feel it's time for the world to move on.
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Such an underated performance! Good it's getting some recognition.lacritfan wrote:Spirit Awards 2017 winners
Best Supporting Female - Molly Shannon, Other People
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In a year as diverse as this, with 3 best picture nominees starring mainly POC, and also films about women and gays, are people going to focus on the fact that Mel Gibson got a nomination? Is that going to make it harder for disadvantaged groups to break out?Dead or Deader wrote:It would be another case of Hollywood normalizing misogyny through awarding Affleck with BA achievement. While I usually don't have problem with works of art from artists who were morally reprehensible, the political climate has made it harder to accept and forgive people such as Affleck for his past actions. It's even worse that Mel Gibson got nominated for BD and you could see plenty of Trumpite people who reside in the Hollywood scene, only making it harder for disadvantaged groups such as woman and POC to break out into the industry.domino harvey wrote:Affleck win the Independent Spirit Award, hopefully Hollywood got over it too and he prevails tomorrow
- Ribs
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3 "black" films, one of which is focused on women and one focused on gay men, out of 9 is not diverse. It is more diverse, but it's still not really quite hitting a threshold where the overwhelming majority of the films nominated are no longer traditional, "white" movies. It's progress, but giving a big prize towards these other people with personal problems is not a step in the right direction if that's the narrative they're pushing
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It is diverse if you contrast it to previous years and take into accounts the movies that were in contention. What others movies were focused on gay men and highly acclaimed but failed to get a nomination? There a good chance 3 black actors will be walking out with an Oscar tonight, something that has never happened before. It's not perfect, but it does look like a step in the right direction. I don't see how Gibson getting a nomination can take away from that.Ribs wrote:3 "black" films, one of which is focused on women and one focused on gay men, out of 9 is not diverse. It is more diverse, but it's still not really quite hitting a threshold where the overwhelming majority of the films nominated are no longer traditional, "white" movies. It's progress, but giving a big prize towards these other people with personal problems is not a step in the right direction if that's the narrative they're pushing
Would people here even have the same reaction were we talking about Polanski?
- Ribs
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Er, yes. And you just repeated what I said; it's not diverse yet, but it's more diverse and that's good. But giving prizes to these people would not do them any favors if they're trying to look like they're getting better at this.
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"these people" meaning black people or people like Mel Gibson?Ribs wrote:Er, yes. And you just repeated what I said; it's not diverse yet, but it's more diverse and that's good. But giving prizes to these people would not do them any favors if they're trying to look like they're getting better at this.
- Ribs
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Specifically Casey Affleck and Mel Gibson, as should be obvious from context, but I appreciate the slight.
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I don't know. I get your point, but isn't saying the Academy shouldn't award Affleck because of the sexual harrassment claims like saying they should award Ruth Negga just to show that they support black actors? Too often the Academy gets blasted with the idea they focus too much on the celebrity rather than the work itself. Are you suggesting the opposite, that they shouldn't focus on the work if the indivual is deemed "unworthy"?
- domino harvey
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It reflects more than triple the actual racial diversity of the United States, in which only 1 out of every 8 Americans is blackRibs wrote:3 "black" films, one of which is focused on women and one focused on gay men, out of 9 is not diverse. It is more diverse, but it's still not really quite hitting a threshold where the overwhelming majority of the films nominated are no longer traditional, "white" movies. It's progress, but giving a big prize towards these other people with personal problems is not a step in the right direction if that's the narrative they're pushing
- hearthesilence
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I'm not a fan of any of his directorial efforts, but I agree with this. Furthermore, his distasteful behavior coincided with some very serious personal issues - drinking of course as well as what seemed like a series of nervous breakdowns.Brian C wrote:But I have little tolerance for this idea that we need to keep our pitchforks sharpened for people for all eternity; I just can't relate to that kind of punitive blacklisting mindset. I thought Hacksaw Ridge basically sucked, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that he was given the job of directing it, and aside from the poor quality of the film, I won't be bothered in the slightest if he is awarded for it. Unless we're given reason to believe that his behavior remains destructive or otherwise ugly, I feel it's time for the world to move on.
- rohmerin
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It would be so wonderful if Vigo win the Oscar. Amazing film Captain Fantastic, totally under rated.
I had a cultural gap with Moonlight. It was so black, I mean, it's set in Miami and there's not a latino, in Miami? The High School was only for Blacks? I did not understand all of that. I did not see any masterpiece in the film. It's good, and period.
I had a cultural gap with Moonlight. It was so black, I mean, it's set in Miami and there's not a latino, in Miami? The High School was only for Blacks? I did not understand all of that. I did not see any masterpiece in the film. It's good, and period.
- movielocke
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segregation.rohmerin wrote:It would be so wonderful if Vigo win the Oscar. Amazing film Captain Fantastic, totally under rated.
I had a cultural gap with Moonlight. It was so black, I mean, it's set in Miami and there's not a latino, in Miami? The High School was only for Blacks? I did not understand all of that. I did not see any masterpiece in the film. It's good, and period.
- rohmerin
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I'm going to watch the show, E channel now, illegally like always, in a small window with dreadful quality, but once a year don't kill. Talking about killing, I'd kill for being on the red carpet.
Isn't LA the best spot for fucking around?
Divines, the best French film I remember since De battre mon coeur s'arretè, is about poor muslim people in Paris suburbs, and I can understand it better than "segregation" in USA where I'm totally lost. In London or Paris, it'x all mixed BUT more with incoming than race.
Isn't LA the best spot for fucking around?
Divines, the best French film I remember since De battre mon coeur s'arretè, is about poor muslim people in Paris suburbs, and I can understand it better than "segregation" in USA where I'm totally lost. In London or Paris, it'x all mixed BUT more with incoming than race.
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Juan is Cuban and Kevin is Cuban-American. There are such things as black Latinos.
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that ended in 1964...movielocke wrote:segregation.
- knives
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Only by the broadest legal sense of the term.vidussoni wrote:that ended in 1964...movielocke wrote:segregation.
- bdsweeney
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Is anyone aware of a radio broadcast of the ceremony?
- flyonthewall2983
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From what I've read about his father, he seemed like a very hateful man but stopped short of taking it out on his family. I can see having to struggle with that, as part of whatever kind of emotional problems he was having around this time.hearthesilence wrote:I'm not a fan of any of his directorial efforts, but I agree with this. Furthermore, his distasteful behavior coincided with some very serious personal issues - drinking of course as well as what seemed like a series of nervous breakdowns.Brian C wrote:But I have little tolerance for this idea that we need to keep our pitchforks sharpened for people for all eternity; I just can't relate to that kind of punitive blacklisting mindset. I thought Hacksaw Ridge basically sucked, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that he was given the job of directing it, and aside from the poor quality of the film, I won't be bothered in the slightest if he is awarded for it. Unless we're given reason to believe that his behavior remains destructive or otherwise ugly, I feel it's time for the world to move on.
- captveg
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Beginning how DreamWorks Animation films end was a good choice, if only because Timberlake always raises the energy of a room.
- domino harvey
- Dot Com Dom
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Academy Award winner Suicide Squad, ladies and gentlemen
- captveg
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Academy Award Winning Suicide Squad. LOL.
Seriously though, fantastic makeup work in that film.
Seriously though, fantastic makeup work in that film.