2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#101 Post by MichaelB » Sun May 13, 2018 2:34 pm

I would hope that he understands a bit more about the subject nine years later. Especially given the reaction at the time.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#102 Post by Lost Highway » Sun May 13, 2018 2:57 pm

MichaelB wrote:I would hope that he understands a bit more about the subject nine years later. Especially given the reaction at the time.
I hope so too but I always found him an awful film critic. Before him they had the equally dreadful Derek Malcolm as their main critic.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#103 Post by htom » Mon May 14, 2018 9:33 am

StevenJ0001 wrote:
Lost Highway wrote:
Is it just me who finds this article confusing ? It announces a ”new restored 70mm print” of the unrestored presentation.
Agreed! That article told me next to nothing about this restoration (though I'm not knocking Lachino for posting it).

I'm very curious about how these new prints differ from other fairly recently struck 70mm prints.
Another article.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#104 Post by tenia » Mon May 14, 2018 9:58 am

In the end, using the term "unrestored" is just quite snub to call what simply is a conservative restoration trying to be very faithful to the original elements.
AKA simply a competent restoration.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#105 Post by MichaelB » Mon May 14, 2018 10:06 am

...that presumably doesn't look that different to what I saw back in 2001 [sic], when there was a 70mm revival.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#106 Post by Drucker » Wed May 23, 2018 9:50 am

I saw the restoration yesterday and can definitely recommend it. I think one of the issues with this film is that since it was shot on 70mm, I keep expecting it to look something like Lawrence of Arabia and it just wasn't shot that way, and is never going to look that crisp. While I'm no expert, I believe I've seen enough films in 35mm at this point to say it absolutely seemed like a faithful recreation of a film of this vintage. I saw this in 70mm a few years ago at MOMI and that print was from the 90s or early 2000s (opened with AOL-Time Warner logo). That print was a bit faded, a little underwhelming. Last night, instead, was crisp with really beautiful colors and incredibly rich blacks. I noticed details I've absolutely never noticed before, like the IBM logo on one of the character's watches.

If you've never seen the film theatrically or on a print, this is definitely a worthwhile way to see it. I'll also say that the music/sound was unbelievable, and stood out to me even more than the imagery. This is the second time that's happened to me with a Kubrick film in the last year, the first being with The Shining. As nice as it is to see the films on celluloid, the true thing I felt like I was getting theatrically that I could never get in my home theater was an unreal sensory experience through the sound design.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#107 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed May 23, 2018 10:52 am

If only there were any indication this would be anywhere in my area. Our arthouses in the city not having either 3D (semi-recent Godard and Herzogs) nor 70mm (The Master, this) projection has been a giant bummer over and over again. The only one I know of around here is at a Regal multiplex in the suburbs, and I doubt this'll make it there the way, say, The Hateful Eight or a Nolan does.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#108 Post by Ribs » Wed May 23, 2018 11:02 am

Though it's making its way down to DC in July, I'm a little surprised it's taking so long, considering most other major markets seem to be getting it in these first two or three weeks and this is where, like, the movie premiered. I wasn't expecting them to book it at the Uptown (where it did premiere) considering they can't play 70mm and the theater itself, while totally cool that it still exists and there's basically nowhere else I'd rather see a gigantic new movie, is kind of grubby and projection is lousy, but I'm also surprised that they had a special engagement this past weekend at the Smithsonina's Air and Space Museum with Douglas Turnbull in attendance... except that theater got rid of its 70mm capabilities in 2015, and the Natural History Museum (which also had a 70mm-compatible IMAX screen) shut down last year, so they just played the restored version as a DCP, which I would never go to considering the film version is coming around the corner. It's just five weeks, I guess, but it's irritating that the discourse around this big rerelease will be so far ahead of this market.

This is very much a test case, I think: the 70mm reissue of Lawrence of Arabia based on the previous restoration will probably follow before the end of the year with a fairly similar release. I *think* the studios understand this is a pretty potentially lucrative thing to invest in going forward, and theater owners will be trying to account for this surge in interest when considering their projection capabilities whenever they're renovating.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#109 Post by senseabove » Wed May 23, 2018 2:34 pm

So the "unrestored" print itself doesn't look as yellow/grubby as the trailer they released made it seem? From what I saw there, this struck me as the film equivalent of folks who like dirty, scratched records because they sound "warmer" than CDs, which is bunk (not to get into a digital/analog war, though) ...
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...This is very much a test case, I think: the 70mm reissue of Lawrence of Arabia based on the previous restoration will probably follow before the end of the year with a fairly similar release. I *think* the studios understand this is a pretty potentially lucrative thing to invest in going forward, and theater owners will be trying to account for this surge in interest when considering their projection capabilities whenever they're renovating.
There was a newly-struck 70mm print of Lawrence, derived form the digital restoration, that just played at the Castro Theater in SF a few months ago. Unfortunately, it already had a big scratch right across the sun during the famous match cut... but it otherwise looked very good. Are you saying you think we might get an "unrestored" Lawrence, too?

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#110 Post by Drucker » Wed May 23, 2018 2:55 pm

Not at all. Print was very clean. Looked like a fresh new print, well-done.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#111 Post by senseabove » Wed May 23, 2018 4:41 pm

Interesting. I wonder why the trailer looked so grubby, then... The white spaceship walls looked like a Luby's smoking section!

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#112 Post by Lost Highway » Wed May 23, 2018 4:49 pm

senseabove wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 4:41 pm
Interesting. I wonder why the trailer looked so grubby, then... The white spaceship walls looked like a Luby's smoking section!
The trailer looked like it was colour graded to make it look more like contemporary film, with warmer colors.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#113 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed May 23, 2018 7:00 pm

Drucker wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 2:55 pm
Not at all. Print was very clean. Looked like a fresh new print, well-done.
Agreed. I saw it Sunday.



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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#116 Post by StevenJ0001 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:10 pm

Where are you getting the idea that this isn't based on Nolan's (non)restoration? I've read multiple sources saying that's exactly what it is.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#117 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:41 pm

It was explained in the comments section on the thedigitalbits Facebook post
Note that this is NOT scanned from the Nolan presentation!! They went back to the original camera negative, and did proper digital restoration (removing scratches, etc) and HDR color grading in both HDR10 and Dolby Vision.
One is a film presentation made for 70mm theatrical release from the original negative but not restored, the other is a full home video presentation and restoration for Ultra HD and Blu-ray made from the original negative and properly color timed. It's two different presentation venues.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#118 Post by Floyd » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:48 am

I almost drove 6 hours to see this but something makes me very uncomfortable about this Nolan color timing. Certainly has a Dunkirk or orange and teal like vibe that is apparent and troubling.

A good YouTube video illustrating the color differences is here..
https://youtu.be/k1JIkK7-fUI

Looking forward to the new 4K from Warner.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#119 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:56 am

Pure long-shot speculation/question here, but would the Nolan restoration have a chance of it's own release somewhere down the road? Maybe even with Criterion?

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#120 Post by miless » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:04 am

I saw the print in Portland, and have to say it looked great. The opening shots seemed to actually blend the color timing of foreground and background, something which I've never seen in any previous version (fixing the one technical flaw i've had with the film, it looked quite real tbh), and, with the exception of the magenta chairs on the space station (which appeared a bit too dark), I thought that the print looked quite true to every other version I've seen.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#121 Post by Lost Highway » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:00 am

Glad to read that the also are bringing out a new Blu-ray. It's going to be a while till I can afford to upgrade to 4K.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#122 Post by MongooseCmr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:30 am

Floyd wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:48 am
I almost drove 6 hours to see this but something makes me very uncomfortable about this Nolan color timing. Certainly has a Dunkirk or orange and teal like vibe that is apparent and troubling.

A good YouTube video illustrating the color differences is here..
https://youtu.be/k1JIkK7-fUI

Looking forward to the new 4K from Warner.
It makes you start to wonder how much of the infamous Ritrovato restoration color palette is just them recreating what a faded print apparently looks like

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#123 Post by jsteffe » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:34 am

At the risk of stating the obvious, the trailer was just something put together by the studio to promote the film, it comes from a digital source, and it more than likely does not reflect the look of the 70mm print. They would not have scanned directly from the 70mm release prints to create the trailer.

If it looks teal and orange, it's probably because the editor or colorist who worked on the trailer added that look.

Out, damned LUT! Out, I say!

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#124 Post by StevenJ0001 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:07 pm

But Nolan was closely involved with the UHD version, wasn't he? I am presuming the color timing will essentially be the same as the new prints--am I wrong?

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)

#125 Post by MichaelB » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:14 pm

flyonthewall2983 wrote:Pure long-shot speculation/question here, but would the Nolan restoration have a chance of it's own release somewhere down the road? Maybe even with Criterion?
Isn’t the basic polemical point of the Nolan version that it’s 100% photochemical and should only be seen in 70mm presentations?

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