Werner Schroeter

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#2 Post by PimpPanda » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:25 pm

The Death of Maria Malibran is on Ubu Web, I believe. I've only seen Nuit de Chien, which I thought was horrible.

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#3 Post by zedz » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:40 pm

I've only seen a few of his films (and not any of the key early ones) and found them shapeless and shambling - except for Love's Debris, which is just sublime: opera singers talk about their experiences of romantic love and sing the songs that embody that experience. There are scenes in there of men talking about the most emotionally intimate matters that are like nothing I've seen in any other film.

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#4 Post by Nothing » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:37 am

I thought Nuit de Chien was very good. Somewhat reminiscent of Brecht. The mis-en-scene a little mundane perhaps, but good script/performance/set design in any case.

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#5 Post by PimpPanda » Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:16 pm

I thought that the script was probably the worst part of it all, and in that perspective I can only really see the film as Brecht without any intelligence. It's hardly dressed up eurotrash.

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#6 Post by Nothing » Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:13 am

What was trashy about it? Not really following you.

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#7 Post by PimpPanda » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:29 pm

The kids showering, the "animalistic" sex scene, the sexual humaliation, and the interactions of the male prostitute, which was excessively immature and crude.

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#8 Post by Nothing » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:09 am

so sex = trash? (not that there was any sex in the clothed showering scene)

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#9 Post by PimpPanda » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:21 pm

No, not at all, it's just how it was done. I don't know how anyone could deny that everything revolving around the male prositute was exceptionally crude.

The movie did have a couple of great set pieces, and the glib reflections on death do work on some levels. I think the only way that a person could defend the script, dialogue, or character is by calling it operatic, but if anything, this is terrible opera. The girl repeatedly asking, "Why didn't you let that boy with us?" made me want to bash my head into the seat in front of me. Why would our protagonist arrive with a giant smile on his face when he just lost a major battle (correct me if I'm wrong here, I've tried to wipe this film out of my memory), and completely understands the apocalyptic predicament the city is in. :-k The original concept was pretty awesome too...

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#10 Post by Zillertal » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:08 pm

atalanta filmes in Portugal just released Deux and Rosenkönig both with english subtitles.

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#11 Post by stereo » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:03 pm

can you provide any purchase links for these DVDs?
thanks

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#12 Post by Nothing » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:19 am

PimpPanda wrote:The girl repeatedly asking, "Why didn't you let that boy with us?" made me want to bash my head into the seat in front of me.
She says this once or twice. What's the problem with it? Similarly, accusing the lead actor of smiling at the beginning (he was smiling?) seems like nit-picking to me.

I guess you could see the film as glib / crude... Films dealing honestly with human impermanence and bestiality do seem to get defined in such terms quite often.

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#13 Post by PimpPanda » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:39 pm

They should be when they only deal with those themes on a shallow level.

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#14 Post by PaganPoet » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:40 am

Are English subtitles confirmed for the new Portuguese releases of Deux and Rosenkönig? Also, I believe these are Fnac exclusives.

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#15 Post by Barmy » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:17 pm

Dunno. Here's the trailer for his latest.

By the way, "The Kingdom of Naples" is available in Italy (as is "Deux"), but I assume both are unsubtitled.

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#16 Post by PaganPoet » Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:44 pm

I'm still hoping for a DVD release of "Malina."

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#17 Post by yoshimori » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:38 am

PaganPoet wrote:I'm still hoping for a DVD release of "Malina."
How about a blu-ray with English subtitles?

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#18 Post by rockysds » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:59 pm

Do you know if there are any differences between the release you linked to and the cheaper digibook, besides packaging and price?

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#19 Post by yoshimori » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 pm

None that I know of. Others?

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#20 Post by yrazor » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:30 pm

To my knowledge there is no difference either - aside from packaging. The digipack represents part 4 of a 'masterpieces in HD'-series.

Next up is the English subtitled release of 'Der Bomberpilot' and 'Nel Regno di Napoli'.

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#21 Post by yrazor » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:41 pm

Besides 'Der Bomberpilot' and 'Nel Regno di Napoli' there will be a second DVD-Release by 'Edition Filmmuseum' combining the Schroeter Films 'Willow Springs' and 'Tag der Idioten'.

Both releases will feature english - and possibly french and italian subtitles.

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#22 Post by TMDaines » Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:49 pm

Does anyone know what language Malina was shown in at Cannes in 1991? In what language is it usually shown when subtitled for non-French or German speakers?

I cannot find a good resource for this sort of information.

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#23 Post by knives » Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:26 pm

For the second half of your question, at least in the US, it seems to be German most commonly.

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