Jerzy Skolimowski

Discuss films and filmmakers of the 20th century (and even a little of the 19th century). Threads may contain spoilers.
Message
Author
titanium
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:42 am

DEEP END (2010 DVD ???)

#76 Post by titanium » Sat May 16, 2009 4:20 am

According to Hollywood reporter, a full HD restoration of Deep end is in the works

I guess dvd should come soon after...

kneelzod
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:33 pm
Contact:

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#77 Post by kneelzod » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:33 am

DVR Alert: DEEP END will be airing on TCM on 1/16/10 at 2:30 EST as part of TCM Underground.

User avatar
Cold Bishop
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 9:45 pm
Location: Portland, OR

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#78 Post by Cold Bishop » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:24 am

And while its not nearly as hard to see, there also showing The Shout right after. (In fact, after initially ignoring it for making obvious choices, TCM Underground has really come into its own recently.)

User avatar
Cold Bishop
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 9:45 pm
Location: Portland, OR

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#79 Post by Cold Bishop » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:02 am

Looks like it is in pan-and-scan unfortunately.

User avatar
knives
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:49 pm

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#80 Post by knives » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:02 am

Even with the pan and scan I was blown away by this, The Shout less so even if it was also very good. There's just some sort of essence to it that captured for me the insaneness of adolescence. A lot more going on than that I realize, but I have my obsessions in viewing.I really hope that criterion, or anyone really releases these as not only would I love to own a good copy of both of these, but I'm sure the rest of his output is great.

kneelzod
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:33 pm
Contact:

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#81 Post by kneelzod » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:21 pm

Cold Bishop wrote:Looks like it is in pan-and-scan unfortunately.
I think this was more likely open matte rather than pan-n-scan. At least it wasn't cut as TCM's recent broadcast of THE STRAWBERRY STATEMENT was. There was some hope that TCM's print would reflect Bavaria's recent restoration work, but it wasn't to be. I have a feeling that this print came from Paramount, judging by the opening and closing Paramount cards and it makes me wonder what, if any, role Paramount has with the restoration. This print looked like it must be the same one that has shown on U.S. television whenever it's aired in the past.

Based on the information on its website, Bavaria holds world sales rights so where exactly does that put Paramount with regards to a possible Criterion DVD? We know that Paramount struck a new print of the film recently, but still before Bavaria announced its own restoration at Cannes in '09. Can anyone here who saw the new print when it played at Anthology Film Archives and other U.S. repertory houses in '08, comment on its quality?

As for TCM's broadcast, I was more upset that it didn't link up accurately with the time block on the cable guide so that DEEP END was cut off at the end of its allotted time slot. I DVR'ed with the intention of burning a new DVD-R and replacing the low-quality dub I had in my collection. Luckily, I also recorded THE SHOUT, which followed DEEP END. The end of DEEP END appears at the beginning of the SHOUT slot. I'll do my best to make a continuous recording, but it's not going to be perfect. Oh, well. I hope that rumored Criterion edition is actually coming and sometime soon...

Wittsdream
Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Chicago

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#82 Post by Wittsdream » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:28 pm

kneelzod wrote:
Cold Bishop wrote:Looks like it is in pan-and-scan unfortunately.
As for TCM's broadcast, I was more upset that it didn't link up accurately with the time block on the cable guide so that DEEP END was cut off at the end of its allotted time slot. I DVR'ed with the intention of burning a new DVD-R and replacing the low-quality dub I had in my collection. Luckily, I also recorded THE SHOUT, which followed DEEP END. The end of DEEP END appears at the beginning of the SHOUT slot. I'll do my best to make a continuous recording, but it's not going to be perfect. Oh, well. I hope that rumored Criterion edition is actually coming and sometime soon...
Unfortunately, the same fucking shit happened to the ending of The Shout, cutting off the finale completely. I already have a copy of Deep End through another source, but it looks like I'm gonna have to order the Region 2 Network edition of The Shout, since I couldn't even watch the ending intact.

It's one thing if something like this happens during your normal waking hours, as it's likely I would have at the very least watched the film in its entirety, but who in the heck's going to stay up until 4:30 in the morning to catch the ending of both these films?

Hard to imagine that cable programmer's are still so ass-backwards in their inexactitude here in the year 2010, but I'm not entirely certain it isn't an unintentional gaffe on the programming department's part, considering both films are currently unavailable in the North American DVD market! [-(

Perkins Cobb
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:49 pm

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#83 Post by Perkins Cobb » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:03 pm

Of course it's not because the movies are rare. TCM just didn't want to waste 29 minutes on junk because they had a 91- instead of 90-minute movie. Somebody over there has an (excessively) orderly mind.

The question is, why aren't you guys setting your recorders manually to avoid this kind of foul-up? Never put your trust in anyone on the other end of your cable.

Wittsdream
Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Chicago

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#84 Post by Wittsdream » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:29 pm

Perkins Cobb wrote:Of course it's not because the movies are rare. TCM just didn't want to waste 29 minutes on junk because they had a 91- instead of 90-minute movie. Somebody over there has an (excessively) orderly mind.

The question is, why aren't you guys setting your recorders manually to avoid this kind of foul-up? Never put your trust in anyone on the other end of your cable.
I'd buy that logic in a New York second were it accurate, but The Shout is an 85 minute film that was accorded a 90 minute block of time without any Robert Osborne intros or outros to pad the program's running time, so there is absolutely no excuse for the oversight. The problem is that Deep End ran a few minutes over it's own programming block of time, creeping over into The Shout's 90 minute block, and TCM still ran it's standard advertisements in between films. Had I recorded the program following the film, I still would have been forced to somehow stitch together the continuity and miss a few seconds of time due to the appearance of obtrusive dialog boxes that end each recorded cable program (with a DVD-R edit) or been delayed watching the continuation of the film's finale as another program culled from my DVR library.

Even if you take the requisite steps to offset TCM's transgressions by recording the following programs, it's still not proactive enough to circumvent the problem and have a seamless presentation of the program that you recorded.

Either way, it's an aggravating thing to deal with, and could have easily been avoided. Luckily, there's an anamorphic DVD available on Region 2 for cheap. Also, the print used for Deep End was inferior in so many ways (shitty source and incorrect aspect ratio), hardly becoming of an event-worthy debut on its network, and particularly disappointing considering it has recently been restored.

User avatar
Cold Bishop
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 9:45 pm
Location: Portland, OR

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#85 Post by Cold Bishop » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:37 pm

Also, TCM is more than willing to schedule programs outside the usual x:00, x:30. You'll often see programs start at x:05 or x:15. And cutting off programs is something they have gotten better about in the last year, so it is surprising. My advice is to seriously write a complaint to TCM, as they seem willing to listen (Look what happened when These Are the Damned was similarly chopped off. They rescheduled it within months, and afterwards starting being more careful about scheduled times).

Wittsdream
Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Chicago

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#86 Post by Wittsdream » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:57 pm

Cold Bishop wrote:Also, TCM is more than willing to schedule programs outside the usual x:00, x:30. You'll often see programs start at x:05 or x:15. And cutting off programs is something they have gotten better about in the last year, so it is surprising. My advice is to seriously write a complaint to TCM, as they seem willing to listen (Look what happened when These Are the Damned was similarly chopped off. They rescheduled it within months, and afterwards starting being more careful about scheduled times).
That is true! I went almost a year of DVR-ing dozens of select films without any attendant problems having to do with programming block cut offs and such. But now, just in the last week, there have been 3 such fuck-ups: Deep End, The Shout and just a few nights ago, Huston's long unavailable on DVD The Kremlin Letter.

TCM's premiere of Huston's The Kremlin Letter chopped off the entire end credit sequence (about 90 seconds of programming). The correct running time for the film is 120 minutes, according to IMDB, yet TCM's published running time on its own website is 113 minutes. That shortsighted discrepancy, along with adding an Osborne introduction, was responsible for lopping off the entire closing credit sequence, which featured a cast of acting luminaries in various roles.

As you say, they could have easily accorded the program an :05 ending time, and it wouldn't have discombobulated any of their subsequent programming for the remainder of the evening. But what I'd like to know is where did the programming department come up with its 113 minute running time, when every other published time for the film claims 120 minutes? Let's hope they don't butcher McCarey's My Son John premiere next Wednesday night? It's one of the most difficult films to find on video, and it has a TCM published running time of 122 minutes. The programming block they've assigned to it is 135 minutes, which should be sufficient to accommodate the film's running time, along with the anticipated Osborne intros and outros!

Fingers firmly crossed!

patrick
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:15 pm
Location: Philadelphia

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#87 Post by patrick » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:02 pm

Deep End will be coming from BFI Flipside later this year, according to an interview in the most recent issue of Shindig magazine (an odd place to get film news, I know).

User avatar
zedz
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:24 pm

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#88 Post by zedz » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:06 pm

patrick wrote:Deep End will be coming from BFI Flipside later this year, according to an interview in the most recent issue of Shindig magazine (an odd place to get film news, I know).
Which means BluRay. This is going to be a great year for British Skolimowski releases, if Second Run's titles are still on track.

User avatar
MichaelB
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:20 pm
Location: Worthing
Contact:

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#89 Post by MichaelB » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:21 pm

I'll find out about Second Run - last thing I heard was that they were trying to source a markedly superior copy of Barrier to the dreadful VHS-quality one in the Telewizja Kinopolska box.

User avatar
zedz
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:24 pm

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#90 Post by zedz » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:41 pm

MichaelB wrote:I'll find out about Second Run - last thing I heard was that they were trying to source a markedly superior copy of Barrier to the dreadful VHS-quality one in the Telewizja Kinopolska box.
That's one of the great films of the sixties, so any improvement would be most welcome. You don't happen to have got any whiff of a UK release for Four Nights with Anna, have you? I know there's a Merlin order some time in my future, but nothing is certain at this time.

User avatar
NilbogSavant
Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:15 am

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#91 Post by NilbogSavant » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:28 pm

patrick wrote:Deep End will be coming from BFI Flipside later this year, according to an interview in the most recent issue of Shindig magazine (an odd place to get film news, I know).
If this year's upcoming release schedule wasn't already so fantastic, this would be news of the year for me. Makes me think I should check out a few of the other Flipside titles while I'm at it.

User avatar
MichaelB
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:20 pm
Location: Worthing
Contact:

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#92 Post by MichaelB » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:11 am

I'm delighted to be able to confirm that the BFI is indeed working on Deep End, and have started a dedicated thread in the BFI forums - though it's too early yet to post any specs or indeed any more info other than what you've already read.

User avatar
tajmahal
Joined: Mon May 11, 2009 11:10 pm

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#93 Post by tajmahal » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:41 am

I noticed the forthcoming publication which might be of interest to some forum members. 25% off pre-pub here.

User avatar
Zazou dans le Metro
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:01 am
Location: In the middle of an Elyssian Field

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#94 Post by Zazou dans le Metro » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:46 am

I'm a bit confused about what's coming from where DVD wise. Is it Deep End from BFI/ Criterion and just Barriera and Hands Up from Second Run? There's a copy of Le Depart coming from Malavida in April but no news of subs yet that I can see.

User avatar
MichaelB
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:20 pm
Location: Worthing
Contact:

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#95 Post by MichaelB » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:28 am

Zazou dans le Metro wrote:I'm a bit confused about what's coming from where DVD wise. Is it Deep End from BFI/ Criterion and just Barriera and Hands Up from Second Run? There's a copy of Le Depart coming from Malavida in April but no news of subs yet that I can see.
This is what I'm aware of:

Deep End - BFI, Dual Format, summer 2011 (I've heard June);
Barrier and Hands Up! - on Second Run's slate (so DVD only), no firm date: last thing I heard was that they're waiting for Skolimowski to be less busy, as he's keen to be involved (especially on the subtitles);
Essential Killing - out on separate Blu-ray and DVD releases in Poland in March. I think these have English subtitles, but it's not an especially big deal if they haven't: half the spoken dialogue is in English anyway, and I doubt it makes much difference if you can't follow the Polish at the end.

I believe Criterion also has plans for Deep End, which makes it likely that the BFI disc will be Region B, though I haven't heard either way yet.

multivitamin
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 am

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#96 Post by multivitamin » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:25 am


User avatar
MichaelB
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:20 pm
Location: Worthing
Contact:

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#97 Post by MichaelB » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:29 am

It is indeed cool, but there's no indication of English subtitles (none of my existing Malavida discs is English-friendly), and there's a distinct possibility that it may come out on a UK label before too long - I know of two who've made enquiries.

multivitamin
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 am

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#98 Post by multivitamin » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:38 pm

neither mine are, plus considering the movie is in french i guess we can forget about english subtitles. from the other hand, skolimowski made "le depart" not knowing a single word in french so... :)

btw, dvd is out in march 2012, the movie is currently in cinemas in france and i've just found something interesting.

good to hear that. so thumbs up for malavida, it seems that - just like second run here in uk - they're doing a fantastic job in france.

titanium
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:42 am

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#99 Post by titanium » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:58 am

Pending the dvd release of "le Départ" later this year, Malavida will release in march a double dvd set including 3 versions of "Hands-up" :
- the totally unseen (except for retrospective screenings, and, rarely, polish tv) 1967 original version
- the 1981 version with the 1967 parts (about 15 minutes shorter than the original editing) being tinted as JS intended for this version
- the same but with the 1967 parts in normal black and white

Booklet will include :
-a rare 1967 interview with JS in film comment
- excerpts from an extensive interview published in the Camerimage festival book in 2003

Not english friendly

multivitamin
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 am

Re: Jerzy Skolimowski

#100 Post by multivitamin » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:57 am

that's the news!

Post Reply