The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#26 Post by David M. » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:22 pm

It was a very, very nice scan and restoration job, yes.

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#27 Post by Movie-Brat » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:55 pm

EddieLarkin wrote:I've every confidence that the older restoration was done to the highest standards of the time, but I'd say an almost 10 year difference in scanning/restoration technology plays a bigger part than even the fact this new restoration is twice the resolution. Enjoy these comparisons:

New, Old
New, Old
New, Old

The old transfer looks positively video in comparison. Now if only Second Sight can see to it to not totally screw up the encoding like they did with Re-Animator.
Color me impressed. It looks great, downright beautiful to look at but doesn't lose any sort of gritty look in the process. I don't know how to explain it exactly but the new transfer just looks appropriate.

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#28 Post by Adam Grikepelis » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:34 am

David M. wrote:
The old transfer looks positively video in comparison. Now if only Second Sight can see to it to not totally screw up the encoding
They won't. We made sure of it ;)

In fact I think you will be very pleasantly surprised when you compare the encoding to the US release. (That could be seen a contentious thing for me to write, but it's scientifically verifiable).
Damn, I wish I'd known you were working on this release before I bought the Dark Sky Films edition.

I may just have to return it once it arrives in the mail.

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#29 Post by EddieLarkin » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:58 pm

The word is that the U.S. disc features a few errors:

1. On the soundtrack, at the end of the film when Sally jumps into the back of the truck and starts to shout at the driver to go, some of her scream afterwards is missing. This is apparently the case on all tracks, including the mono, suggesting it may be a downmix. Compare 1:21:20-1:21:27 on the older Blu-ray and 1:21:18-1:21:25 on the new.

2. The opening montage with the camera flashes is missing one of its fades at 00:01:46, which is now a freeze and a cut instead

3. There's also apparently some missing sound effects before Pam falls into the bone room, again and all tracks, though I don't know what exactly.

Regarding the mono track at least, it'd be nice if the Second Sight disc could correct these or just port over the lossy mono track from the earlier Blu-ray.

I've reviewed the opening on the older Blu-ray and it is definitely nothing but fades, so presumably this is a mistake, though fixing it might not be appropriate since this was supervised by Hooper (and fixing it digitally may cause other unwanted effects?). A user on HTF posits that they will have gone back to the A/B rolls for this remaster, and since all fades and dissolves would have needed to be redone digitally, this is obviously one they've missed.

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#30 Post by Anthony Thorne » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:12 pm

It wouldn't be a brand-spanking-new TEXAS release without some requisite fuck-ups to sour things for folks who care. I still cherish my Dark Sky DVD special edition with the missing sound effects. Glad to see Dark Sky are continuing the tradition on a new format in this new decade.

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#31 Post by Movie-Brat » Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:15 pm

EddieLarkin wrote:The word is that the U.S. disc features a few errors:

*snip*
Oh crap. I guess I should hang onto my Dark Sky DVD, should I?

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#32 Post by domino harvey » Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:42 pm

If those minor things no one would notice bother you, sure

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#33 Post by Movie-Brat » Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:51 pm

Thinking about it; eh, I doubt they'll bother me anyway. It's still the same movie and if it's still effective, it's not a failure.

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#34 Post by tenia » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:42 am

domino harvey wrote:If those minor things no one would notice bother you, sure
Well, I guess this goes with the missing 6 seconds of ZFE on the 1st pressing of Arrow's BD.
While this is extremely minor, shouldnt sound and image integrity and completeness be the 1st criteria to evaluate a video release ?

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#35 Post by Anthony Thorne » Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:39 pm

'No-one will notice' them, except for fans familiar with the movie who have read the threads, who will keep an eye out for the glitches on first pass, and who will spot them on every viewing thereafter. Seems a shame really. Are Second Sight going to be using this glitchy, fucked-up transfer as well or is there still time to correct things before a defective version of the film is permanently set in stone?

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#36 Post by _shadow_ » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:14 am

"First, do no harm" should be the first principle in restoration and presentation, and it's certainly a valid criticism of this release if it doesn't comply with that.

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#37 Post by Anthony Thorne » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:05 am

Given past form Dark Sky are well on schedule to release a completely glitch-free edition in 4K format around 2018 or so, right after the current stuffed version has been sitting on our shelves annoying us for half a decade or so. I really shouldn't be so hard on them - it's only the second time they've released a premium remaster of this iconic film with various key, familiar sound effects stripped right out of the movie. I'm sure in the future after the third or fourth time this happens they'll scratch their chins a bit and have a big group discussion about possibly taking more care when they release the movie a fifth and sixth time.

The events of this day have lead to the discovery of one of the most bizarre crimes in the annals of American history - THE TEXAS CHAINSAW FUCKED-UP DISC MASSACRE!

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#38 Post by Koukol » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:16 pm

I'm beginning to think these companies don't want us to be satisfied.

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Re: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974)

#39 Post by EddieLarkin » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:56 am

Second Sight wrote:We have had several enquiries regarding our release of The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. We can confirm that the new restoration included the replacing of a fade to black with a hard cut to black in the opening camera flash sequence. This was in fact a change made during the restoration process in conjunction with Tobe Hooper. While we of course respect this decision we have decided, with approval, to include the fade in our release to adhere to the original vision.
With regard to the audio some very minor adjustments were made to some sound effects on the new mixes. Again this was done in conjunction with Tobe Hooper. This does not affect the dialogue track. We will also include the original mono track with no adjustments.
Excellent news! They're implying though that the removal of the fade in the restoration was done with Hooper's knowledge and approval, which sounds like lip service to me (not that that's a problem or anything).


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