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#151 Post by David Ehrenstein » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:37 pm

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David Ehrenstein wrote:I disagree with you about Une Chambre en Ville, however. I think its' one of Jacques' best films (sadly never released stateside) and Colombier did a great job.

Sanda is truly amazing in it. And it was all based on a true story.
I agree with you David. The sole fact that UNE CHAMBRE EN VILLE unites Danielle Darrieux, Dominique Sanda and Michel Piccoli makes it precious enough. Yet my favorite Demy remains LOLA, I'm in love with that movie.
Oh me too. Lola is very special.

BTW Jacques originally planned it as a full-scale musical but couldn't get any interest. So he cut it back to the form we know today.

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#152 Post by jguitar » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:16 pm

David Ehrenstein wrote:I disagree with you about Une Chambre en Ville, however. I think its' one of Jacques' best films (sadly never released stateside) and Colombier did a great job.

Sanda is truly amazing in it. And it was all based on a true story.
I do love the film, it's just that the music/words interaction doesn't have the same magic for me as the Legrand/Demy collaborations. However, I contradict myself in thinking that Colombier's music achieves a certain monumentality in some sections that Legrand never quite evokes--I'm thinking of the strike, for instance, which is one of the most thrilling moments in cinema for me.

We're wandering away from the purpose of this thread considerably here, but it's hard to stop writing about Demy once you start.

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#153 Post by ambrose » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:13 am

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Ozu and Bresson didn't do any gay films, other than "Ohayo" and "Bois de Boulogne" (OK, "Lancelot" too), respectively.
You're blithely overlooking Un condamne a mort s'est echappe -- his gayest film. Then there's the climactic mototcycle ride in Diary of a Country Priest and the babe-a-licious casting in Au Hasard Balthazar, Four Nights of a Dreamer and Le Diable Probablement.

There's a clip of Bresson on YouTube (hope it's still up) Quite the coquette.

The old men who congregate for supper together in I think Late Spring (though I may be thinking of another Ozu of the same period) discuss a colleague who was tossed out of school for writing love letters to another youth. This actaully happened to Ozu himself.

Ozu died not long after completing his last film The Taste of Autumn Mackrel (known in the West as An Autumn Afternoon) Ozu was exceptionally superfond of one of the male leads of that film -- the actor who played the golf-crazy son. When he died shortly afterwards there was a considerable scnadal as his widow broke down at the funeral screaming "Ozu has taken him with him!!"

I wish Mr.Enrenstein was still a regular contributor to this forum if only to reveal the exact source of the rather salacious anecdote related above!(As a veteran journalist he might have been wary about revealing his sources, but the lack of corroborative material has been bugging me since I first came across this discussion.)
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#154 Post by David Ehrenstein » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:17 am

That story (which I don't consider to be salacious) was vouchsafed to me by a gay Japanese friend whose name would mean nothing to you. I have gay Japanese person who was unaware of Ozu's sexual orientation.

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#155 Post by ambrose » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:59 am

David Ehrenstein wrote:That story (which I don't consider to be salacious) was vouchsafed to me by a gay Japanese friend whose name would mean nothing to you. I have gay Japanese person who was unaware of Ozu's sexual orientation.

So its an open secret in the Japanese gay community, Mr. Ehrenstein! (As that is all the information I require, I am genuinely grateful as well as slightly apologetic about the use of the word salacious.)

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#156 Post by David Ehrenstein » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:05 pm

You're welcome.

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#157 Post by George Kaplan » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:05 am

Steven H wrote:I've always been slightly partial to the "Noriko is gay" reading of Late Spring, and knowing what I do about Ozu, I don't think him being a closet homosexual is too out there. He was definitely a "bachelor".
I'm certain this has been gone into elsewhere, perhaps in this forum, though I think it is in Andrew Britton's brilliant book on Katharine Hepburn, that the Noriko of EARLY SUMMER is perhaps lesbian. The film contains a scene in which Noriko's sexual orientation ("Is she that way?" or something to that effect, per the Criterion disc) is questioned, by a male co-worker, I believe. Then a female co-worker reassuringly says something like, "No, she's just overly fond of Audrey Hepburn." The use of "Audrey" on the Criterion disc I'm certain of, though I believe the spoken Japanese is simply "Hepburn"?

Regardless, as EARLY SUMMER is 1951, the reference must be understood to be the bisexual Katharine, an international superstar who clearly read "dyke" to the Japanese, as well; and not Audrey, who was a working film actress, though just, and still rather obscure, two years from being a star, let alone an internationally-recognizable, exportable commodity. Hopefully the inevitable Criterion Blu-Ray upgrade will correct this problem. As it is now the allusion is nonsensical. But a Noriko (Hara) who moons over/identifies with Katharine Hepburn and resists marriage the way she does is someone else entirely.

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#158 Post by ambrose » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:22 am

The subtitles on the Bfi Blu-Ray of Early Summer correctly translate that important line of dialogue, in fact Noriko's co-worker and friend says Katharine Hepburns name in its entirety not just the surname!
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(side-note) The packaging of Early Summer with What did the Lady forget might actually reflect some sort of inner logic,after all both of these films present the viewer with female protagonists of indeterminate sexual orientation (Noriko/Early Summer:Setsuko/What did the Lady forget).
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#159 Post by David Ehrenstein » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:32 am

Noriko is likely a lesbian and the pronunciation of Katherine Hepburn's name is a giveaway. The actress who played Noriko is a lesbian (as is also well-known in Japan) and as I have said the schoolboy story actually happened to Ozu himself when his love letters to a classmate were discovered.

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#160 Post by ambrose » Tue May 10, 2011 11:25 pm

David Ehrenstein wrote:Noriko is likely a lesbian and the pronunciation of Katherine Hepburn's name is a giveaway. The actress who played Noriko is a lesbian (as is also well-known in Japan)
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#161 Post by Cold Bishop » Tue May 10, 2011 11:34 pm

So that's what they meant when they called her a "daikon"!

My apologies, but I can never resist a bad pun when it stares me in the face.

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