Forthcoming: The Irishman

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Re: The Irishman (Martin Scorsese, 2019)

#76 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:18 pm

Older folks walk, stand and carry themselves differently than they did 30 years prior. This needs to be not just a facial de-aging, but the whole works. Has there been film that has made a 30 year jump backwards using this technology?

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#77 Post by Persona » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:49 pm

domino harvey wrote:
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They should have just cast other actors for the younger parts, as I suspect the uncanny valley will be too strong here
I think the techniques used here are basically going to be an advancement of what was done with Sean Young in BR2049

That was great and pretty seamless/convincing BUT it was a very brief scene, whereas this is going to be far more extensive. So yeah. I can see why the budget is headed towards $200 million.

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#78 Post by tenia » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:14 pm

Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy wasnt too bad either.

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#79 Post by colinr0380 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:35 pm

The funniest recent example of this was in the opening of Ant-Man, where Michael Douglas is impressively de-aged but all of the other (younger) actors in the scene appear to have been aged up with standard make up!

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#80 Post by black&huge » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:09 pm

Sam Jackson looks pretty good as far as the Captain Marvel trailers have shown us

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#81 Post by Big Ben » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:15 pm

Kurt Russell also looked exceptional in Guardians of the Galaxy 2. It's entirely possible to de-age someone and have it not look horrendous. Some of this is practical but a majority of it was visual effects. With the right amount of time and effort I imagine the actors won't look too...uncanny valley-ish.

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Re: The Irishman (Martin Scorsese, 2019)

#82 Post by Kirkinson » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:43 pm

colinr0380 wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:35 pm
The funniest recent example of this was in the opening of Ant-Man, where Michael Douglas is impressively de-aged but all of the other (younger) actors in the scene appear to have been aged up with standard make up!
The sequel had the most convincing de-aging I've seen so far, doing absolutely seamless work with Michael Douglas, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Laurence Fishburne. However,
FrauBlucher wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:18 pm
Older folks walk, stand and carry themselves differently than they did 30 years prior. This needs to be not just a facial de-aging, but the whole works.
I don't know exactly how it worked, but Ant-Man & the Wasp actually filmed those scenes at least partially with look-alike younger actors (including Fishburne's own son!) who then had the de-aged older actors' faces added on. Looking at the trailers for Captain Marvel it seems like they've really perfected their technique. It's likely that one of the main reasons Marvel kept doing these flashback scenes in so many movies (there's one in Captain America: Civil War as well) was for ongoing research & development.

I'm not sure how much the team working on The Irishman can use the Marvel movies as a jumping off point, though. Do Marvel's advancements spread out to the entire effects industry, or do other studios have to start from the same spot Marvel was in when they first tried it, and figure the rest out from there? I guess we'll see soon enough.

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#83 Post by Persona » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:45 am

The primary VFX studio for The Irishman is ILM and they've worked on a lot of these Marvel movies.

They won't be starting from scratch.

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#84 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:52 am

ILM works on Marvel movies, but the de-aging work in Marvel's movies has all been done by Lola VFX, who are the industry leaders at this particular technique. (They also did the scrawny Chris Evans in the first Captain America movie.) ILM did the de-aging in Rogue One.

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#85 Post by Persona » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:00 pm

Well, there are other FX studios involved with The Irishman, too. But also if you look on IMDB you can see by some of the individual digital artist credits that they have people on-board who are familiar with the technology/techniques.

I'd still say the gold standard for me is what MPC did with Sean Young for BR2049. Hoping that there is a consultant or technical director or two from that sequence involved with this movie.

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#86 Post by Murdoch » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:03 pm

tenia wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:14 pm
Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy wasnt too bad either.
I was pretty put off by his appearance, but acknowledge his artificial/CGI look worked since it was already set in a video game.

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#87 Post by Monterey Jack » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:02 am

Murdoch wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:03 pm
tenia wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:14 pm
Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy wasnt too bad either.
I was pretty put off by his appearance, but acknowledge his artificial/CGI look worked since it was already set in a video game.
For me, even that didn't wash, because the de-aged Bridges we see in in the 80s prologue -- before he enters the computer -- looks every bit as glaringly fake.

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#88 Post by Murdoch » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:13 pm

Right, my memory of that movie isn't great outside of Daft Punk and Faux Bridges.


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#90 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:00 pm

We’ll either say THANKS or have misGIVINGS for this film. So appropriate release date.

I know, that’s just awful but couldn’t help it

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Re: The Irishman (Martin Scorsese, 2019)

#91 Post by bearcuborg » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:54 pm

Speaking of awful, the title, even the one used for the book are lousy. Perhaps a little spoilery, but Sebastian was on Joe Rogen a few months ago, and it sounds like it’s a small part, despite playing one of the more intriguing gangsters ever, Joe Gallo. I hope it isn’t a lame hit job, used to prove DeNiro’s propensity for violence like the one they clumsily used in American Hustle.

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#92 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:14 pm

There are some hints to the music in this article about Robbie Robertson's new album, specifically of interest the song "I Heard You Paint Houses", which he recorded with Van Morrison.

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#94 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:22 pm

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#95 Post by Nasir007 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:59 pm

I'd wanna watch this but I wonder if I'd wanna pay for this. I think would be $100 for the ticket.

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The Irishman (Martin Scorsese, 2019)

#97 Post by sir_luke » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:25 am

I think this looks really good! The de-aging looks subtle enough to maybe go unnoticed — not nearly as egregious as I had feared.

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#98 Post by TwoTecs » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:20 am

This and Hugo are the only non-anamorphic Scorsese features since Goodfellas. Interesting choice. The cinematography looks quite different from Prieto's recent work with Scorsese.

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#99 Post by ford » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:32 am

sir_luke wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:25 am
I think this looks really good! The de-aging looks subtle enough to maybe go unnoticed — not nearly as egregious as I had feared.
Frankly, I was hoping they'd go more all out, show us 25-35-45 year old De Niro (wasn't Sheeran in his mid to late 30s when he started working for Hoffa?) Basically looks to be something like 55-75 year old De Niro from what we see here. But I guess they might be holding that back to surprise people.

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#100 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:38 am

He looks much younger at the very end

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