Polish Cinema on DVD
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Looks like bluedvd is now listing preorder prices for Panny z wilka, Popioły, and Wesele with a "May" release date.
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Excellent news - I was hoping for all three of those, as I know they've had digital restorations in recent years.
A friend caught the premiere of the Ashes restoration and said that it was unrecognisable when set against the cropped and VHS-quality DVD that was all that he'd been able to see in the past.
A friend caught the premiere of the Ashes restoration and said that it was unrecognisable when set against the cropped and VHS-quality DVD that was all that he'd been able to see in the past.
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Is "Popioły" the same as "Ashes and Diamonds?" Or is there another film with that name?
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Yes, it's later than Ashes and Diamonds and takes place during the Napoleonic wars.feihong wrote:Is "Popioły" the same as "Ashes and Diamonds?" Or is there another film with that name?
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Oh. I couldn't find a trailer for this one on the KinoRP Vimeo page. Can anyone find a trailer for this one? I'm looking forward to Wesele, and the other one, Panny z wilka, looks pretty zany.
I really hope Salto and Knights of the Teutonic Order end up on bluray soon. discovering these movies is pretty exciting!
I really hope Salto and Knights of the Teutonic Order end up on bluray soon. discovering these movies is pretty exciting!
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Ashes and Diamonds (Popiół i diament), based on Jerzy Andrzejewski's novel (though the title came from a poem by Cyprien Kamil Norwid) came out in 1958. As one of Wajda's most internationally celebrated films, it's always been just about the easiest to see - there are Criterion and Arrow Academy editions, for instance.feihong wrote:Is "Popioły" the same as "Ashes and Diamonds?" Or is there another film with that name?
Ashes (Popioły), by contrast, is a lengthy (four-hour), sweeping Napoleonic epic based on the novel by Stefan Żeromski. It occupied Wajda for several years, coming out in 1965, but it's never had anything like the same international profile, and prior to its restoration it was only available on dreadful (cropped, VHS quality) DVDs. My own copy is an American VHS tape that was practically unwatchable, which is why I've only seen the opening scenes.
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I did e-mail KinoRP and inquired about "Salto" on B-R format and it's highly unlikely it will happen according to them. Decided to grab DVD version after the digital reconstruction and it looks simply astonishing. and what a movie we are talking about - mesmerising, piercing, soul-shattering with what could be the best Zbigniew Cybulski's performance ever committed on screen.feihong wrote:
I really hope Salto and Knights of the Teutonic Order end up on bluray soon. discovering these movies is pretty exciting!
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So are they just putting out the historical epics and visual fantasmagorias on blu-ray, and leaving the other stuff to dvd? That's frustrating. The trailer they have for Salto looks completely mesmerizing, and it looks like the film definitely benefits from being seen with a more theatrical-quality depth-of-field.
Ashes sounds like it'll be well worth seeing. I like Wajda, but it seems like they're leaning rather heavily on him for this and the last set of blu-ray releases. I'd really love to discover some of these other filmmakers in 1080p. That film Dolina Issy looks remarkable in the restored trailer, but the dvd I have looks really crummy. That's one I'd like to see in real quality.
Ashes sounds like it'll be well worth seeing. I like Wajda, but it seems like they're leaning rather heavily on him for this and the last set of blu-ray releases. I'd really love to discover some of these other filmmakers in 1080p. That film Dolina Issy looks remarkable in the restored trailer, but the dvd I have looks really crummy. That's one I'd like to see in real quality.
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Without wishing to be unduly morbid, I suspect they're taking full advantage of the fact that Wajda is still around to supervise these restorations! And of course his stuff will sell outside Poland purely through name recognition.feihong wrote:I like Wajda, but it seems like they're leaning rather heavily on him for this and the last set of blu-ray releases.
I've been getting the strong impression that the Polish Blu-ray market is pretty minuscule, so I'm really not at all surprised that they're pushing people like Wajda and Has in the first instance.
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Speaking of Has, do they have more of his films than what they've released? I'd really like to see The Doll or The Tribulations of Balthazar Kober. Even the very poor copies I've seen available look visually arresting.
I just received blus of Promised Land, Man of Marble and Man of Iron today. Looking forward to getting into these films--especially Promised Land.
I just received blus of Promised Land, Man of Marble and Man of Iron today. Looking forward to getting into these films--especially Promised Land.
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I've just popped in the blu rays of Promised Land and Man of Iron, the ones I've purchased, and neither of them work. There's a note on the back of each that says to wait 10 seconds for the menu to appear, but in this case they don't appear after waiting up to 15 minutes. Pressing any remote button to access menus doesn't do anything either. I ordered these from amazon.co.uk
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The chances of getting a dud of two different releases in one order are pretty slim. As they are from the same publisher, compatibility issues with your player are more likely to be a problem. When did you last update your firmware? Check the discs on another player perhaps?
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Thanks for this, TM. I checked and I didn't have the latest firmware update - the version 014 vs. the version 011 update for the Sony BDP 360. I installed it without a hitch.TMDaines wrote:The chances of getting a dud of two different releases in one order are pretty slim. As they are from the same publisher, compatibility issues with your player are more likely to be a problem. When did you last update your firmware? Check the discs on another player perhaps?
This gave me hope that was the problem. However, I'm getting the same results - a black screen with nothing in the display panel. :(
I was really looking forward to Promised Land - I have the Vanguard dvd and it's now barely watchable on a big screen TV.
I'll try them on somebody else's Blu Ray tonight and report back.
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I've now tried the Wajda discs on a Philips and they work there, so the problem is my Sony BDP S360, even though I've never had a problem with other blu rays with it so far.
I've been thinking of finally taking the plunge and getting an all-region player, and decided to go for the Sony BDP S5100, so that should take care of this problem, and open a whole new universe for me... Rohmer, Mouchette, The Trial, Accattone, The Long Goodbye, Passion of Joan of Arc, etc., I'm coming to get you. :)
I've been thinking of finally taking the plunge and getting an all-region player, and decided to go for the Sony BDP S5100, so that should take care of this problem, and open a whole new universe for me... Rohmer, Mouchette, The Trial, Accattone, The Long Goodbye, Passion of Joan of Arc, etc., I'm coming to get you. :)
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Although aware that it's imminent on Blu-ray, I couldn't resist picking up the KinoRP 2 disc DVD of Krzyzacy as it was going cheap(ish) on Amazon UK and I love the film even having only seen the compromised Second Run DVD.
It looks truly fantastic upscaled and in the right ratio. One thing I noticed was that the the runtime seems slightly different, and not in the way round you'd expect (BBFC cuts), the Polish DVD seems to run a bit shorter, for example the 15min mark on the Second Run DVD is the 13min mark on the Polish.
The Second Run claims to be PAL so it shouldn't be a speed up issue, but I can't think of another explanation. I can't notice any cuts so its more out of curiosity than anything.
Anyone got any idea?
It looks truly fantastic upscaled and in the right ratio. One thing I noticed was that the the runtime seems slightly different, and not in the way round you'd expect (BBFC cuts), the Polish DVD seems to run a bit shorter, for example the 15min mark on the Second Run DVD is the 13min mark on the Polish.
The Second Run claims to be PAL so it shouldn't be a speed up issue, but I can't think of another explanation. I can't notice any cuts so its more out of curiosity than anything.
Anyone got any idea?
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The longer running time could be explained by a NTSC-to-PAL standards conversion, though I'd be surprised if that's the case with a Second Run DVD.A man stayed-put wrote:Although aware that it's imminent on Blu-ray, I couldn't resist picking up the KinoRP 2 disc DVD of Krzyzacy as it was going cheap(ish) on Amazon UK and I love the film even having only seen the compromised Second Run DVD.
It looks truly fantastic upscaled and in the right ratio. One thing I noticed was that the the runtime seems slightly different, and not in the way round you'd expect (BBFC cuts), the Polish DVD seems to run a bit shorter, for example the 15min mark on the Second Run DVD is the 13min mark on the Polish.
The Second Run claims to be PAL so it shouldn't be a speed up issue, but I can't think of another explanation. I can't notice any cuts so its more out of curiosity than anything.
Anyone got any idea?
I've received screeners for some of the films being shown in London at the Kinoteka Polish Festival. Several of the films being shown will be getting UK releases: New Wave have Papusza, Artificial Eye have Ida and Project London have Ticket to the Moon (Bilet na Księżyc), Life Feels Good (Chce się żyć) and Sophie Seeks 7 (Facet (nie)potrzebny od zaraz).
Two of the screeners I've been sent are derived from Polish DVDs, so I can confirm that the following discs are English-friendly: Traffic Department (Drogówka) and Lasting (Nieulotne).
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It looks like my son may be in Poland at some point in August and I'm curious if there are any stores where he might be able to pick up some Polish titles for me that aren't so easy to get here in the states. In particular, does anyone know of somewhere where he might be able to locate a copy of Night Train or Ashes and Diamonds on blu-ray?
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Empik is usually your best bet, although you might have difficulty with those two titles as they're nominally out of print.
And in the case of Ashes and Diamonds, you'd be better off with the Arrow edition anyway - it's exactly the same transfer, but more extras and an English-friendly booklet (full disclosure: I edited and partly wrote the latter, but I'm still very proud of it). And it's also region-free.
And in the case of Ashes and Diamonds, you'd be better off with the Arrow edition anyway - it's exactly the same transfer, but more extras and an English-friendly booklet (full disclosure: I edited and partly wrote the latter, but I'm still very proud of it). And it's also region-free.
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Saturn is just as good a bet for those particular Blu-rays. The KinoRP ones are exclusive to Empik though I think.
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some new restorations by KINO RP on its way including psychedelic Wajda from the late 60s ("Polowanie na muchy", "Wszystko na sprzedaz")
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Has anyone seen Hunting Flies? Visually the film looks very arresting, but the reviews I have been reading are very lukewarm towards the film. I'm wondering what people think of the movie.
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well even Wajda states it's one of his worst if you ask me- he couldn't be any more wrong. It's a comedy, intelligent one, a bit surreal, Swinging (communist)Warsaw(?), a cross between Carlos Saura's "Peppermint Frappé" and "That Obscure Object of Desire" by Bunuel ...a bit...perhaps, probably the least puffy Wajda ever, screenplay/dialogues were written by the great Janusz Glowacki, who later on committed one-of-the-best-comedies-ever-period namely 'The Cruise', totally cranky soundtrack (Marvin Gaye meets Polish "big-bit" ...on mushrooms) by Andrzej Korzynski and most importantly: Malgorzata Braunek - I reckon it's one of the most voluptuous performance in Polish cinema, I mean: she is the sex in that one. Can't wait for the restoration.feihong wrote:Has anyone seen Hunting Flies? Visually the film looks very arresting, but the reviews I have been reading are very lukewarm towards the film. I'm wondering what people think of the movie.
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I've been very impressed with pretty much all of the Telewisji Kino Polska sets I've purchased in the past and am considering getting a few more. Can anyone offer any feedback on any of these sets? -- Wojciech Marczewski, Janusz Morgenstern, Jerzy Stefan Stawinski, Kazimierz Kutz and/or Stanislaw Rozewicz? Thanks in advance.
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I can thoroughly recommend the Marczewski, albeit with the proviso that Second Run's transfer of Escape from the Liberty Cinema is night-and-day superior. But Nightmares and especially the truly jaw-dropping Shivers are two of the most important films from one of the most important periods of Polish cinema history, and those alone make the box essential.
My reviews of all three:
Nightmares (Zmory, 1978)
Marczewski’s feature debut opened to a tsunami of critical praise in Poland, and it’s easy to see why: this is one of the most powerful films I’ve yet seen about the psychological traumas of early teenage life. Young Mikołaj’s parents have separated, and when his father dies he ends up in a boarding school that, like its English counterparts, seems deliberately designed to sap the soul. One teacher insists that any infraction of any kind will mean a one-way ticket to Hell (it’s set in the early 20th century, and Catholic guilt underpins everything), another prefixes the names of his charges with “Moron” instead of “Master”, and when a potentially inspiring teacher is taken on, he’s quickly sacked for “individuality” before he can corrupt his pupils’ minds. Similarly, any pretensions towards creativity or emotional sensitivity on Mikołaj’s part are quickly stamped on by both teachers and less sensitive fellow pupils. The film is equally unsparing about his sexual development, hindered by rumour and misinformation and stimulated by sometimes inadvertent glimpses of female flesh - although when opportunities present themselves, his shyness invariably gets the better of him. It’s a deeply uncomfortable film to watch, with already awkward scenes rendered more so by incongruous touches such as the honking of geese that can be heard from inside the headmaster’s study - but there’s no doubting Marczewski’s steely grip on this material.
Shivers (Dreszcze, 1981)
This has nothing to do with David Cronenberg, although an adventurous double-bill programmer might draw some parallels between Canadian parasitic invasion and Polish political indoctrination, since both involve getting inside a vulnerable 'host' and thoroughly corrupting them from within, be it physically or mentally. In the case of Wojciech Marczewski's film, this corruption is meted out to young Tomasz, a teenager whose otherwise normal rough-and-tumble life is occasionally broken up with more sinister occurrences, such as a full-scale search of his family's flat and the disappearance of his father.
He is then sent on a Stalinist summer camp which combines enforced Hi-De-Hi!-style jollity (everyone wears fetching red uniforms) with political indoctrination to varying degrees of subtlety - it's hard to miss the undertones behind an ostensibly innocent "getting to know you" request that the campers tell everyone else how much they really know about their parents. A typical teenager, Tomasz develops an erotic fascination with the woman in charge of his unit, something that she's only too happy to exploit for her own ends - which essentially involve inculcating blind obedience and conformism by any means necessary (even something as banal as home-made jam can be a killer bribe in an environment like this). When a troublemaker throws a rock through a window, he is pursued en masse by an angry mob that could have come straight out of Invasion of the Body Snatchers - and those who didn't join in, like Tomasz, are punished for their lack of zeal.
Unlike a great many explicitly political Polish films, this doesn't require a great deal of background knowledge to appreciate, largely because its anti-totalitarian message is so clearly universal. I wasn't the least bit surprised to discover that it was strongly autobiographical (Marczewski had himself been sent to a similar camp following his own father's arrest), or that Marczewski deliberately abandoned filmmaking for nearly a decade afterwards because he refused to collaborate with the Polish authorities after martial law was declared shortly before the film's premiere. Given the message of his film (which ranks alongside Ryszard Bugajski's slightly later Interrogation in the force of its moral disgust), he presumably felt that anything else would have been a betrayal of his principles.
Escape from the 'Liberty' Cinema (Ucieczka z kina 'Wolność', 1990)
What happens when you cross The Purple Rose of Cairo with the story of a self-loathing provincial censor at the fag-end of the Polish People's Republic? You end up with this clever, often very funny but decidedly pointed satire that marked the return of Wojciech Marczewski to filmmaking after a nine-year creative silence. Rabkiewicz, the censor in question, (the marvellously hangdog Janusz Gajos) has been in the job for fifteen years and consequently is more than familiar with all the various wool-pulling tricks that those pesky artists and journalists resort to to try to slip subversive messages past him.
The logical result of the scrutiny of Rabkiewicz and his colleagues can be seen in the dismal Daybreak, a slushy romantic weepie unspooling at his local cinema whose actors become so disgusted with the drivel that they've been asked to perform that they subvert it, deliberately adding swearier lines (an elderly music professor states that he "couldn't give a fuck" about his protegée's chances in the Chopin competition), much to the delight of a bored school party and the horror of officials who realise what this might mean for their careers - one of Rabkiewicz's colleagues even proposes burning the film, lest it infect others, or worse still, television.
Marczewski has a lot of fun satirising state bureaucracy of a kind that he frequently had to encounter in person, and uses clips from The Purple Rose of Cairo both to compare and contrast late-80s Polish cinema (dull, provincial, unambitious, inert) with its far livelier and more entertaining American counterpart, and to acknowledge what was clearly his primary inspiration (Woody Allen was kind enough to let him use clips and characters free of charge - a reasonably convincing stand-in for Jeff Daniels accidentally ends up mingling with the Daybreak actors at one point). It's a great tribute to Gajos' superlative performance and the subtlety of the script that Rabkiewicz is neither a monster nor a figure of fun - in fact, he's oddly sympathetic, despite being confronted with the evidence of the lasting impact of his cultural crimes during a rooftop inquisition.
My reviews of all three:
Nightmares (Zmory, 1978)
Marczewski’s feature debut opened to a tsunami of critical praise in Poland, and it’s easy to see why: this is one of the most powerful films I’ve yet seen about the psychological traumas of early teenage life. Young Mikołaj’s parents have separated, and when his father dies he ends up in a boarding school that, like its English counterparts, seems deliberately designed to sap the soul. One teacher insists that any infraction of any kind will mean a one-way ticket to Hell (it’s set in the early 20th century, and Catholic guilt underpins everything), another prefixes the names of his charges with “Moron” instead of “Master”, and when a potentially inspiring teacher is taken on, he’s quickly sacked for “individuality” before he can corrupt his pupils’ minds. Similarly, any pretensions towards creativity or emotional sensitivity on Mikołaj’s part are quickly stamped on by both teachers and less sensitive fellow pupils. The film is equally unsparing about his sexual development, hindered by rumour and misinformation and stimulated by sometimes inadvertent glimpses of female flesh - although when opportunities present themselves, his shyness invariably gets the better of him. It’s a deeply uncomfortable film to watch, with already awkward scenes rendered more so by incongruous touches such as the honking of geese that can be heard from inside the headmaster’s study - but there’s no doubting Marczewski’s steely grip on this material.
Shivers (Dreszcze, 1981)
This has nothing to do with David Cronenberg, although an adventurous double-bill programmer might draw some parallels between Canadian parasitic invasion and Polish political indoctrination, since both involve getting inside a vulnerable 'host' and thoroughly corrupting them from within, be it physically or mentally. In the case of Wojciech Marczewski's film, this corruption is meted out to young Tomasz, a teenager whose otherwise normal rough-and-tumble life is occasionally broken up with more sinister occurrences, such as a full-scale search of his family's flat and the disappearance of his father.
He is then sent on a Stalinist summer camp which combines enforced Hi-De-Hi!-style jollity (everyone wears fetching red uniforms) with political indoctrination to varying degrees of subtlety - it's hard to miss the undertones behind an ostensibly innocent "getting to know you" request that the campers tell everyone else how much they really know about their parents. A typical teenager, Tomasz develops an erotic fascination with the woman in charge of his unit, something that she's only too happy to exploit for her own ends - which essentially involve inculcating blind obedience and conformism by any means necessary (even something as banal as home-made jam can be a killer bribe in an environment like this). When a troublemaker throws a rock through a window, he is pursued en masse by an angry mob that could have come straight out of Invasion of the Body Snatchers - and those who didn't join in, like Tomasz, are punished for their lack of zeal.
Unlike a great many explicitly political Polish films, this doesn't require a great deal of background knowledge to appreciate, largely because its anti-totalitarian message is so clearly universal. I wasn't the least bit surprised to discover that it was strongly autobiographical (Marczewski had himself been sent to a similar camp following his own father's arrest), or that Marczewski deliberately abandoned filmmaking for nearly a decade afterwards because he refused to collaborate with the Polish authorities after martial law was declared shortly before the film's premiere. Given the message of his film (which ranks alongside Ryszard Bugajski's slightly later Interrogation in the force of its moral disgust), he presumably felt that anything else would have been a betrayal of his principles.
Escape from the 'Liberty' Cinema (Ucieczka z kina 'Wolność', 1990)
What happens when you cross The Purple Rose of Cairo with the story of a self-loathing provincial censor at the fag-end of the Polish People's Republic? You end up with this clever, often very funny but decidedly pointed satire that marked the return of Wojciech Marczewski to filmmaking after a nine-year creative silence. Rabkiewicz, the censor in question, (the marvellously hangdog Janusz Gajos) has been in the job for fifteen years and consequently is more than familiar with all the various wool-pulling tricks that those pesky artists and journalists resort to to try to slip subversive messages past him.
The logical result of the scrutiny of Rabkiewicz and his colleagues can be seen in the dismal Daybreak, a slushy romantic weepie unspooling at his local cinema whose actors become so disgusted with the drivel that they've been asked to perform that they subvert it, deliberately adding swearier lines (an elderly music professor states that he "couldn't give a fuck" about his protegée's chances in the Chopin competition), much to the delight of a bored school party and the horror of officials who realise what this might mean for their careers - one of Rabkiewicz's colleagues even proposes burning the film, lest it infect others, or worse still, television.
Marczewski has a lot of fun satirising state bureaucracy of a kind that he frequently had to encounter in person, and uses clips from The Purple Rose of Cairo both to compare and contrast late-80s Polish cinema (dull, provincial, unambitious, inert) with its far livelier and more entertaining American counterpart, and to acknowledge what was clearly his primary inspiration (Woody Allen was kind enough to let him use clips and characters free of charge - a reasonably convincing stand-in for Jeff Daniels accidentally ends up mingling with the Daybreak actors at one point). It's a great tribute to Gajos' superlative performance and the subtlety of the script that Rabkiewicz is neither a monster nor a figure of fun - in fact, he's oddly sympathetic, despite being confronted with the evidence of the lasting impact of his cultural crimes during a rooftop inquisition.
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Could any of the handful of folks who've seen both the UK DVD of Pociag and the Polish blu-ray possibly provide some feedback on how much of an upgrade in picture quality the blu-ray offers?