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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:57 am 
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Anyone know how Force of Evil compares to the Olive disc?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:01 pm 
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Refuse to believe this is anywhere close to selling out. We've been here many times before with Arrow's funky distribution.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:02 pm 
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Here's Beaver.

From the looks of it, every disc is slightly better, in the way that MOC and Arrow discs always improve on Olive/Kino discs with a more accurate encode, but nothing substantial. The Dark Mirror is the exception, where there is a dramatically better presentation, with more grain and un-squished faces.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:05 pm 
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TMDaines wrote:
Refuse to believe this is anywhere close to selling out. We've been here many times before with Arrow's funky distribution.


Very odd hill to die on, considering Arrow confirmed it is properly sold out from direct sale.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:18 pm 
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Drucker wrote:
Here's Beaver.

From the looks of it, every disc is slightly better, in the way that MOC and Arrow discs always improve on Olive/Kino discs with a more accurate encode, but nothing substantial. The Dark Mirror is the exception, where there is a dramatically better presentation, with more grain and un-squished faces.


Thanks! Toggling back and forth at the screencaps zoomed in at 100%, it looks like the same transfer was used for the Olive and Arrow discs for Force of Evil, but with Arrow, they chose to encode it darker, maybe a half stop or so. I kind of like the darker look, but if you look at the areas where it was already dark on the Olive disc, I'm not sure I would say Olive is "too light" either. (Going darker also brings out the grain more in the light and gray areas.) It may just be a matter of taste. The bit rate on the Arrow disc is quite a big step up from the Olive though, that alone may make it look far better in motion.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:30 pm 
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Could it be a difference in gamma maybe ? I believe that in the past, like for The Burning, this kind of difference was explained by that.
On the technical matter of things, yes, the darker look of the Arrow makes the grain pops up a bit more because of the stronger contrast.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:08 pm 
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TMDaines wrote:
Refuse to believe this is anywhere close to selling out. We've been here many times before with Arrow's funky distribution.


I reckon so too, but don't really wanna risk it. Had it pre-ordered from Zavvi but they still haven't dispatched despite me ordering over 2 weeks ago now (release date was last Monday). Might have to get it elsewhere if it doesn't shift in the next day or two.

Knowing my impatience though, this will be around for a few more months yet. I remember a similar scare with Dekalog, and look how long that lasted. And there was a similar scare with The Taisho Trilogy more recently, but that's in stock everywhere now, including direct via Arrow.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:23 pm 
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But in none of those cases did Arrow directly say something was selling out. The Taisho thing was exacerbated by people dimly thinking that the 95% sold out Suzuki set was suppoesd to be the other one, but Arrow stopped providing Academy limited status updates a year ago and have shown no signs of changing that. The Taisho trilogy will remain easily accessible because there's a US release doubling the print size that probably sells slower. This is gone. Arrow said so. If you don't think this set would move far quicker than any of the other Academy sets, you're being misguided.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:39 pm 
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My order of this and the BFI Rivette Blu from Amazon actually arrived in less than a week via UPS (with cheapest shipping), so even the shipping is quicker than Arrow when buying from Amazon


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:08 pm 
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Placed order on Amazon last night and it already shipped to arrive by December 11...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:21 pm 
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Ribs wrote:
TMDaines wrote:
Refuse to believe this is anywhere close to selling out. We've been here many times before with Arrow's funky distribution.


Very odd hill to die on, considering Arrow confirmed it is properly sold out from direct sale.

Didn't this happen with Dekalog too?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:41 pm 
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Ribs wrote:
But in none of those cases did Arrow directly say something was selling out. The Taisho thing was exacerbated by people dimly thinking that the 95% sold out Suzuki set was suppoesd to be the other one, but Arrow stopped providing Academy limited status updates a year ago and have shown no signs of changing that. The Taisho trilogy will remain easily accessible because there's a US release doubling the print size that probably sells slower. This is gone. Arrow said so. If you don't think this set would move far quicker than any of the other Academy sets, you're being misguided.


Not formally, as in via announcements on Facebook and Twitter; hence my comment that Four Film Noir Classics will likely be a similar situation to Dekalog. Of course, it'll likely sell out quicker than Dekalog being that this is a set of popular noirs, and limited to 2000 copies rather than 3000, but I reckon it'll still hang around far longer than a week or two after release date - it'll do well, but it isn't The Thing, Carrie, Videodrome. It's still an Academy title, and how many of those have gone OOP? Only a few, if memory serves. I don't think it is 'gone' quite yet, just sold out direct, and may come back in stock if they recall excess copies from retailers.

Anyway, my copy should be on its way in the next few days (Zavvi have taken payment) and if they screw up I'll order from Amazon (HMV a last resort). Interesting they haven't made any statements anywhere about the duplicate title fault; some people have been receiving this set with duplicate copies of The Dark Mirror and therefore Force of Evil missing (disc and artwork). Perhaps they're confident enough that only a handful have been affected and therefore no 'public' comment is necessary.

PS: in regards to The Taisho Trilogy, based on this comment from the relevant thread, I think it's safe to say it's still doing pretty well. Maybe not OOP well but glad to hear it's not entirely a misfire. I haven't dug in yet but it's a beautiful set.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:45 pm 
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In case folks missed the note: this is currently in stock on Amazon.co.uk.


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