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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:50 pm 
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Costa wrote:
tenia wrote:
So yup, that's actually a pretty massive timing difference.


Thank you very much tenia.
Yes, the film now looks good. Arrow should have pointed out the differences to the public.

By the way, MichaelB, can you please answer me this?
Arrow did the color correction which means by itself that they admit the Ritrovata restoration has a problem.
I'm sure Arrow knows that other restorations by them have color problems too.
Why doesn't anyone say anything to them? (Ritrovata/Eclair)
(to fix their machines or something, I don't know exactly what is the problem and all restorations end up with a blanket teal)

I doubt it's their machines/scanners, it's whatever color correction (or LUT) they're applying afterwards that gives everything the same orange/teal 'modern' digital grading look. The scans themselves should still retain an enormous amount of color information, which is presumably why Arrow was able to re-grade this one so beautifully (it would not look this good if they had to start from where Criterion's ended up). So in a sense this is good news for correcting other badly-timed releases, insofar as you don't have to re-scan the original negative and spend a lot of money again. You just need the original files and a more accuracy-minded colorist.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:00 pm 

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Yes this is what a professional colorist has theorised in a br.com thread previously:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p ... tcount=417

And it was confirmed by a Camera Obscura insider :

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p ... tcount=424

Interestingly, the last time this topic came up was precisely in the Criterion thread for this same release.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:22 pm 
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Glad to see Arrow correct this..... I'd love to see Criterion make good by doing the same for Indochine, since I assume all UK/EU releases will be the same Studio Canal disc.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:10 am 
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I believe that these color-gradings are becoming a more and more urgent issues to solve.

We should know better : we’re now seeing all these old-as-crap MGM or Universal HD masters having unfaithful magenta-pushed poorly-contrasted look and we know we used to grade this way but this was incorrect. How can L’immagine Ritrovata (but they’re not the only ones) pull the same crap 15 years later and get away with it ? Even more : they’re considered as one of the top restoration facility, but all their color-gradings look like Bologna only have 2 LUTs in total (both poorly contrasted, one yellow, the other blue), and even their B&W movies often are clipped (at least in the black levels).

I’m quite sure they truly believe they’re doing the right things, but some high-ranked people like Grover Crisp or Robert Harris should go there and see what is happening and advise them, because something isn’t right, and all the movies they’re grading will now look this way for years, and this is becoming to become a preservation nightmare.

Before, we saw it could be a question of fixing the poor contrast and the yellow bias but now that we can see such a difference between the 2 Olmi releases, the idea of how different these movies can (should ?) look is terrifying.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:05 am 

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tenia wrote:
but some high-ranked people like Grover Crisp or Robert Harris should go there and see what is happening and advise them, because something isn’t right, and all the movies they’re grading will now look this way for years, and this is becoming to become a preservation nightmare.



yes, I still wonder why anyone in the high ranks hasn't said anything to them.
And whenever I bring up the issue and ask, there's silence. I don't know. Is it a taboo issue?
They fear to say something negative for a restoration facility?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:06 am 

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Lowry_Sam wrote:
I'd love to see Criterion make good by doing the same for Indochine, since I assume all UK/EU releases will be the same Studio Canal disc.


Amen!
I'd love too Indochine but can't buy it with those colors.
But i don't think Criterion has ever color corrected a scan they got, have they?


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