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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:53 pm 
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Well, for me, I find the ending to the European version of the pilot to be a rush job which does no favors to where the story/series goes from there.
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And then read The Final Dossier, I guess (though I dont know if it's any good).

I asked the biggest Twin Peaks fanatic I know how this was, and he replied with a pretty thudding "eh." Was glad that Lynch throws Frost the bone of getting to do these books as what is likely a concession for the sake of their collaboration but feels they're pretty poor.

As I mentioned a couple of pages back, Frost's book is a quick, fun read; not great, but a welcomed perspective (2016's "The Secret History of Twin Peaks" was considerably stronger). I think the book is worthwhile just for providing...
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...confirmation of Sarah Palmer as the host for "Judy" and for the implication that a number of the events seen in Season 3 are the result of Agent Cooper altering the timeline in his attempt to spare Laura Palmer's life.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:27 pm 

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Roger Ryan wrote:
Well, for me, I find the ending to the European version of the pilot to be a rush job which does no favors to where the story/series goes from there.


I agree with you that it was a rush job - that's clear from the fact that Lynch reportedly skimmed the fine print of his contract and wasn't even aware he had to deliver a European theatrical version until he was on set. But I think it's unfair to say it does the story no favors because all of that was basically made up on the spot and then they story was carefully worked out based on the fact that this throwaway stuff that Lynch came up with was just too interesting to throw away on an alternate version. So I would say this little rush job did the world of Twin Peaks an incredible amount of favors in the grand scheme of things!

As for the Final Dossier, my own 2 cents is that it is the weakest spinoff book (my favorite being the Access Guide, followed by Cooper's Tapes). It has a couple of interesting sections but much of it feels gratuitous and a little sloppy - however, be warned on all of these books; for such an enormous artistic achievement the series and films are, there isn't one of the books that could even approach anything resembling superior literature - at least in my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:51 pm 
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Roger Ryan wrote:
Well, for me, I find the ending to the European version of the pilot to be a rush job which does no favors to where the story/series goes from there.
mfunk9786 wrote:
tenia wrote:
And then read The Final Dossier, I guess (though I dont know if it's any good).

I asked the biggest Twin Peaks fanatic I know how this was, and he replied with a pretty thudding "eh." Was glad that Lynch throws Frost the bone of getting to do these books as what is likely a concession for the sake of their collaboration but feels they're pretty poor.

As I mentioned a couple of pages back, Frost's book is a quick, fun read; not great, but a welcomed perspective (2016's "The Secret History of Twin Peaks" was considerably stronger). I think the book is worthwhile just for providing...
[Reveal] Spoiler:
...confirmation of Sarah Palmer as the host for "Judy" and for the implication that a number of the events seen in Season 3 are the result of Agent Cooper altering the timeline in his attempt to spare Laura Palmer's life.

Also Annie’s fate.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:51 am 
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Everything I've read about the books is that they serve as curiosities and are essentially fan fiction. A friend has them and I've flipped through them, but don't see how they could add value to the show itself -- the show is not improved by explanation. The books may be diverting enough on their own, of course, I can't judge without having read them myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:59 am 
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For me the two books are of value because they shift things from "the world of Twin Peaks" to "the world Twin Peaks is part of", which the new run also does. I also felt they did a good job clarifying some things while never fully explaining them, adding new wrinkles and lines of thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:07 am 
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I read the final dossier on a flight the other day, and it took about 3 hours. While some of the parts mentioned here were interesting, and it stayed more focused than Secret History, there was still a lot of padding and filler. About a quarter of the book simply recounts what happened on screen in season 3, and the new developments aren't nearly enough to justify the price.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:14 pm 

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I also felt they did a good job clarifying some things while never fully explaining them, adding new wrinkles and lines of thought.
I agree. I think it was helpful to have just a few things nailed down a bit more firmly, considering how outrageously complex and baffling the series was. Much as I love it, Twin Peaks 3 makes Inland Empire look simple!


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:45 pm 
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Or if you use phonetics Judy is is just Dougie backwards.
I don't understand this!

That's because it's nonsense! "Judy" and "Dougie" only have two phonemes in common out of four (/d/ and /i/), and they're next to each other in "Judy" and at opposite ends of "Dougie"! The other vowels are completely different and the /dʒ/ in "Judy" and the /g/ in "Dougie" are completely unrelated: they're formed in different parts of the mouth (palato-alveolar vs. velar) in different ways (affricate vs. stop). This is just a case of inventing 'evidence' to prop up a sagging theory.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:49 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 pm 
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There's an interesting four-part article on Twin Peaks: the Return by Nick Pinkerton at Reverse Shot starting here.

The reference to George Lucas repeatedly saying he would like to make experimental films reminded me that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that he had actually done this on a secret, self-funded basis at some point, although I suspect this wouldn't come to light during his lifetime.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:30 am 
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Has there been any recent news regarding the box set for the first two seasons? As far as I can tell, it’s still out of print stateside. Is a Criterion rerelease of the series something that’s even imaginable?


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:37 am 
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No, but it almost certainly went out of print because of the rights to the movie changing hands. Judging from how long it's taken between sets in the past, I wouldn't hold my breath for resolution in the form of a new SKU too quickly - just buy it from the UK.


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 Post subject: Re: Twin Peaks
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:58 pm 

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AidanKing wrote:
The reference to George Lucas repeatedly saying he would like to make experimental films reminded me that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that he had actually done this on a secret, self-funded basis at some point, although I suspect this wouldn't come to light during his lifetime.

I'm pretty sure I've read that this is exactly what has happened, and he has only screened these works for select family and friends.


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