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The Vietnam War

#1 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:29 pm

It will premiere on PBS this September, but there are already some clips of it available to watch online. One can be seen in this NYT article about Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross' involvement with the soundtrack.

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#2 Post by Polybius » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:22 am

With both Heston and Reed Irvine having departed this vale of tears, who will helm the inevitable rebuttal program?

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#3 Post by Big Ben » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:52 am

Absolutely ecstatic about this and the Reznor/Ross score. This couldn't be more perfect for me.

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#4 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:31 pm

I'm sure if someone told a lot of us in the 90's that the Nine Inch Nails guy would work with the director of The Civil War and Baseball, we'd probably look at them real funny.

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#9 Post by knives » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:28 pm

Does anyone know if PBS will be putting up the episodes on their website?

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#10 Post by Big Ben » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:28 pm

Yes it will as per the site:
PBS wrote:Watch The Vietnam War: A Film by Ken Burns & Lynn Novick anywhere! Beginning on September 17, the series will broadcast on your local PBS station, and will be available for streaming on the web (desktop or mobile) and PBS apps for smartphones, tablets, Apple TV, Roku and Amazon Fire TV. Choose from English, Spanish-language, and Vietnamese-language.

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#11 Post by knives » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:31 pm

Wonderful and thanks.

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#12 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:53 am

Burns and Novick are on today's WTF With Marc Maron

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#13 Post by aox » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:47 am

The interview with Burns on Sam Harris' podcast is interesting. You can find it here

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#14 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:44 pm

Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross' contribution to the soundtrack is available today to purchase and stream.

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#15 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:05 pm

Anyone else actually watching the show?

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#16 Post by Feiereisel » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:31 pm

Michael Kerpan wrote:Anyone else actually watching the show?
Yes, at this very moment.

EDIT: Now that tonight’s episode has ended, I’ll say in addition to it being engrossing thus far, I’m also finding it to be a bit uncomfortably intense.

The first episode uses a very effective parallel structure that ties the mistakes, misunderstandings, and failures of the French to the subsequent challenges associated with American involvement in the region. The second episode covers the deepening American involvement in South Vietnam, bridging the gap between the US’s “hands off” involvement and the full-fledged direct warfare covered in the third episode.

The detailed context provdided through the writing and talking heads is absorbing; the intensity stems not only from the descriptions and dissections of costly battles, but also from the way many of the situations—such as the seemingly inescapable creep toward war and looming consequences of the United States’ misunderstanding of the region’s culture and history—resonate with other recent conflicts as well as the anxieties of the current geopolitical climate.
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#17 Post by Dr Amicus » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:31 am

For UK viewers, it appears the BBC has picked this up an it starts on BBC4 next Monday night.

I hope that, unlike the initial screenings of The Civil War and Jazz, it's not "abridged".

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#18 Post by knives » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:17 am

I have. Something of interest possible, but on PBS' website they list several soundtrack options including an unedited one.

What I'm liking so far (have only had the time to see one episode) is how thoroughly Burns is providing the Vietnamese perspective on the war making sure it is not just, as one interviewee alludes to, baby boomer neurosis.

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#19 Post by Roscoe » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:17 am

They show men dropping fire on people, but the censors won't allow them to say "shit" in the interviews because it's obscene.

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#20 Post by Feiereisel » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:34 am

Roscoe wrote:They show men dropping fire on people, but the censors won't allow them to say "shit" in the interviews because it's obscene.
An LBJ quote featuring an uncensored “shit” was broadcast in the third episode, consistent with the show’s TV-MA rating. With the uncensored soundtracks available online, I think a clear effort is being made to serve everybody’s interests.

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#21 Post by Michael Kerpan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:01 pm

American decision-making seems even more insane in this series (given some bits of additional information) now than it did at the time....

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#22 Post by Altair » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:03 pm

Feiereisel wrote:
Roscoe wrote:They show men dropping fire on people, but the censors won't allow them to say "shit" in the interviews because it's obscene.
An LBJ quote featuring an uncensored “shit” was broadcast in the third episode, consistent with the show’s TV-MA rating. With the uncensored soundtracks available online, I think a clear effort is being made to serve everybody’s interests.
I'm almost certain Roscoe is quoting Kurtz in Apocalypse Now there.

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#23 Post by Feiereisel » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:07 pm

Altair wrote:
Feiereisel wrote:
Roscoe wrote:They show men dropping fire on people, but the censors won't allow them to say "shit" in the interviews because it's obscene.
An LBJ quote featuring an uncensored “shit” was broadcast in the third episode, consistent with the show’s TV-MA rating. With the uncensored soundtracks available online, I think a clear effort is being made to serve everybody’s interests.
I'm almost certain Roscoe is quoting Kurtz in Apocalypse Now there.
Oh, of course! Apologies all around. I'm ashamed of myself for missing that. I feel like such an errand boy.

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#24 Post by Roscoe » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:50 pm

An LBJ quote featuring an uncensored “shit” was broadcast in the third episode, consistent with the show’s TV-MA rating. With the uncensored soundtracks available online, I think a clear effort is being made to serve everybody’s interests.
Yeah, I was paraphrasing Kurtz's radio broadcast to parody the stupidity of two instances of the word "shit" in the first episode being bleeped because naughty language is so naughty. Glad to hear other episodes are less ridiculous.

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#25 Post by Michael Kerpan » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:07 am

I had almost forgotten just how much I hated Johnson and Westmoreland (among others). Now I remember again.

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