Blu-ray, in General

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Re: Blu-ray, in General

#2576 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:26 pm

Every once in a while this topic rears its ugly head. I don't buy it, don't see it, not happening anytime soon. Five years my derriere! Yes, there will be many people around the world that will rather stream. They are pedestrian movie fans. They'll watch a movie on a night they have nothing to do. There are many of these folks. But there are also many folks that collect, love and follow the art of film. It doesn't matter what genre one likes they will want to collect it. The big studios and the little labels know it. That is why they are spending millions of dollars to restore and release films that many people have never heard of, except for the serious filmphile, and there are many of them. You think SONY is spending lots of green stuff to restore The Lady From Shanghai hoping someone will stream it because they have a couple of free hours to watch a MOVIE<?> Clearly not. It is to protect the film and to release on hard copy it for the vast number of collectors.

BTW...You always see these skewed numbers in some tech geek's column. But then the manufacturers and electronic retailers shoot the numbers down with there own numbers of units flying off the shelves. I remember hearing this same nonsense 2 to 3 years ago and blu ray has only gotten more ingrained in the movie public eye. For crying out loud vinyl has made a return. Granted, it's a niche but the point is the medium is still around and available for those that want to spin records. And many of the collectors 78s are young people. Ironic.

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#2577 Post by Drucker » Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:43 pm

Frau's comment about vinyl is one I was going to bring up. All my friend's bands release vinyl, not only buy it.

I could rant but I'll just say this: I never owned an iPod, but all of my friends that have owned iPods have at one point lost everything because the thing dies. My wife's laptop crashed and there went many of her photos and much of the music she collected. Same with her external hard drive.

If you take care of your physical media collection this stuff just won't happen.

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#2578 Post by matrixschmatrix » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:58 pm

Well that seems uncompelling- one could just as easily prove the superiority of digital media by talking about scratched CDs and that time someone broke into your car. Back up your digital media and that will never happen.

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#2580 Post by LavaLamp » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:44 pm

Thanks for all of the responses, everyone. I agree with you all. Hopefully BD's will be around for long time.

To make an analogy, I'm also a big fan of Music CD's, and have collected them for years. I've never got into I-pods, I-tunes, etc. Having a physical CD in-hand with the artwork, liner notes, etc. is much more interesting to me than having songs on a device. However, like streaming, I do see the attraction here.

Re: vinyl, it is interesting that it's making a come-back these days; much of this is probably fueled by nostalgia, but it seems a lot of those into vinyl these days weren't even around when records first existed...

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#2581 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:44 pm

I thought we had a Strand thread but I guess not: Mysterious Skin coming in March

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#2582 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:56 pm

The Hollywood Reporter....
DECE, the consortium behind UltraViolet, is looking at 4K, as well as high dynamic range, wider color space and higher frame rates.
LAS VEGAS--Ultra HD is a huge story at the International CES. But many also believe that resolution alone is not enough to entice consumers to make the switch from their current TVs.

Many in Hollywood’s engineering community believe it will also take a wider color gamut, higher dynamic range and higher frame rates to make the most noticeable improvement over today’s HD. Dolby, Technicolor and Sony are all presenting their plans to move the industry in this direction, this week at CES. Meanwhile Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem (DECE), the consortium behind the cloud-based Digital HD service UltraViolet, is looking into adding support not just for 4K but for higher dynamic range and related features. “4K (Ultra HD) is on our roadmap, and this will need to be a standard since it needs to work on a variety of devices and platforms,” DECE general manager Mark Teitell told The Hollywood Reporter. “We’re also looking at high dynamic range, color space and frame rate. It’s likely to be a combination of those attributes that will represent the next generation. We are looking at what we need to do and take the best combination.” Asked if DECE could end up adopting a proposed system such as Dolby Vision, he responded, “We don’t adopt things that are propriety, but it may well be a spec that Dolby Vision meets.” The 85 member of DECE include Hollywood studios such as Lionsgate, Fox, Paramount, Sony, Warner Bros. and Universal; as well as video retailers and other technology companies. According to Teitell, there are now an estimated 15 million UltraViolet account holders in supported countries, and 12,000 supported movies and TV programs. Meanwhile, Blu-Ray Discs with 4K support could be a reality by the end of the year, according to the Blu-Ray Disc Association’s global promotions committee chair Victor Matsuda. Talking to THR at CES, he noted that the BDA board recently approved work to extend Blu-Ray to include 4K and will be exploring the best possible technical blueprint. Driving this work are members of a task force made up of representatives from 17 companies including Sony, Technicolor, Dolby, Fox and Disney.The target for completion is year’s end.

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#2583 Post by zedz » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:10 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:Many in Hollywood’s engineering community believe it will also take a wider color gamut

Translation: both teal and orange will now go one louder.

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#2584 Post by MichaelB » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:29 pm

Drucker wrote:I could rant but I'll just say this: I never owned an iPod, but all of my friends that have owned iPods have at one point lost everything because the thing dies.

Unless your iPod and the drive where you store your music files crash simultaneously, that shouldn't happen - I don't know anyone who stores files exclusively on an iPod.

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#2585 Post by Drucker » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:07 pm

I redact my statement, fair points. I just greatly prefer physical media.

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#2586 Post by David M. » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:10 pm

The risk of rightsholders pulling content since deals have expired is probably the bigger threat.
Netflix US lost all the Viacom stuff recently because their contract wasn't renewed. And New Year's Day 2014 saw more stuff vanish.

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#2587 Post by Minkin » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:21 pm

David M. wrote:The risk of rightsholders pulling content since deals have expired is probably the bigger threat.
Netflix US lost all the Viacom stuff recently because their contract wasn't renewed. And New Year's Day 2014 saw more stuff vanish.
Exactly! Though, at least the consumer isn't out a specific purchase (they can stream other content)

This story proves why you should probably never buy a digital copy of a movie (at least off of Amazon).

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Previous link is still relevant, but this is the story I meant to link. It seems that Amazon's use of the word "buy" should be changed to "extended rental." Though, imagine you had bought the movie the day/week before it was pulled?

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#2588 Post by Perkins Cobb » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:09 am

I would guess that Amazon will eventually get hit with some kind of class action suit, or at least a flurry of indignant Buzzfeed articles and the like, over "purchased" movies that disappear. And then they'll make it go away by changing the terminology to something more fungible than "buying."

I've always been surprised they've done it that way, no matter how much fine print they bury in the T&C. Most people are clearly fine streaming content without owning it, but buying something means you can throw it in the trunk of your car or leave it to your kids when you croak, and Amazon and the like are just needlessly waving a red flag by "selling" you content that you can't do that with.

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#2589 Post by captveg » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:12 pm

Svankmajer's Alice (1988) on 4/15/14, but listing doesn't state distributor. The US DVD from First Run Features appears to still be in print, though.

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#2590 Post by Gregory » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:45 pm

Hard to see any reason to avoid the BFI region-free dual-format with some nice short films and a fine booklet.

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#2591 Post by Feego » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:33 am

Gregory wrote:Hard to see any reason to avoid the BFI region-free dual-format with some nice short films and a fine booklet.

Agreed, although if this release actually happens, I will be extremely impressed that the film is getting a Blu-ray release in the U.S. at all. But I won't be giving up my BFI edition for anything.

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#2592 Post by MichaelB » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:53 pm

It's definitely happening, and it's the same transfer as the BFI disc - but I don't know about extras.

I put them in touch with a BFI contact with regard to the five shorts on the BFI disc, and also recommended contacting Švankmajer's company Athanor on the off-chance that HD versions of the shorts that didn't exist in 2011 have since been created, but your guess is as good as mine as to what they'll end up including.

(I got the impression that their extras budget was pretty tight.)

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#2593 Post by kekid » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:13 pm

I would like to mention here that some of the great recordings of classical music have been issued in the Blu Ray Audio format recently. The ones I have heard are absolutely spectacular. The most astonishing is a Bruno Walter Mahler 2nd on Japanese Blu Ray Audio. I could not believe that a recording of that vintage could sound this great. Others I have heard are Carlos Kleiber's Beethoven 5 and 7, Solti's Mahlet 8, Karajan's Beethoven 9, and a disc of Salonen and Grimaud called Credo that includes music by Corigliano, Beethoven and Part. I cannot recommend these recordings too highly. If you have the slightest interest in classical music, you should try some of these.

On the negative side, the distribution of the series is atrocious. They are difficult to find. Most of them are not even listed on Amazon.com, and are only available through third-party sellers on Amazon.co.uk. Writers in various classical magazines lament the decline of the audience of classical music. I attribute this at least in part to poor communication and availability of superior recorded material. If they were available readily, and sold at a reasonable price, I have no doubt a large number of people would replace their old discs. The way they are being handled, the financial managers of companies releasing these might conclude that they are not viable. That would be truly sad.

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#2594 Post by mrmarbach » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:16 am

I bought most of the first batch of Blu-Ray audio releases. Some great recordings indeed, but absolutely bizarre to include only stereo recordings so far, when the medium can carry lossless surround sound. It almost seems like classical record companies want to fail sometimes… There are some surround releases forthcoming, which I will buy with interest.

It's all too little too late, as usual.

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#2595 Post by dwk » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:18 am

Shout Factory's rights to the eight Showa Gamera films have expired and Mill Creek has picked up the license and will release them on Blu-ray. Details and cover art at Sci Fi Japan.

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#2596 Post by manicsounds » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:44 am

Well, according to the back covers, the movies are the original Japanese versions, but with only a Dolby Digital 2.0 soundtrack for each, with none of the bonus materials from the Shout! releases...

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#2597 Post by Lowry_Sam » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:13 am

I bought some of the blu-ray audio releases & have mixed feelings. On the one hand, the sound quality can be amazing, much better than SACD. However that depends on the original tapes. I notice a significant difference across the releases I have so far. I'm a bit miffed though about the final product. Many of the rock/pop titles have been released as remasters w/ bonus material (mono/stereo, single versions, b-sides, radio recordings etc.) in special edition sets & more recently album box sets, yet despite the fact that the blu-ray can hold over 7 hours of high-def audio, none (so far) contain any of the bonus material, only the album. Even Nina Simone's "I put a spell on you", which along with the rest of her albums, were released as 2 LPs on 1 CD when first issued, get reduced to a single album (in some cases little more than 30 minutes of music) on a single disc. This is ridiculous, since most of the people buying the titles have bought the music already and are most likely triple dipping in many cases at this point. With such a high price point for the discs, they may as well make a package that's really worth shelling out for. The Velvet Underground's Andy Warhol album was just released in a 6 disc box set, yet the blu ray doesn't contain anything but the original album. To add to that, they add 2 other formats (DTS & Dolby), really only the PCM stereo is necessary if there's nothing but 2.0.

The Velvet Underground & Nico: Sounds like it would be nice, though not a significant improvement over the last remastering. My disc vibrates so much in the player that it's hard to tell how signifiant the improvement is.

The Velvet Underground's White Light/White Heat: This one I was actually not expecting much from, but I noticed a bigger difference (particularly in the spatial composition of the sound). Pleasantly surprised, but also disappointed that none of the bonus material from the recent multi disc set was included....just the 6 tracks of the album.

John Lennon's Imagine: This one is a pretty good improvement, especially on the quiter songs (ie. piano still sounds full in quieter passages). I was quite pleased with this & hope eventually Beatles catalog gets the blu-ray treatment too.

Tears For Fears' The Hurting: I was quite eager for this one as it's my favorite by them, nice to see an 80s release I like make it to hi-def. However this one sounded disappointing.....Nothing wrong with the sound quality, just not much of an improvement over listening to the cd on an upscaling player. To add to that, I think I detected a glitch in the mastering & the transition (in at least one passage) was edited out. Again, this just came out in a 4 disc box set w/ all the remixes, b-sides etc.....and again we get nothing.

Stevie Wonder''s Songs In The Key Of Life: This was never my favorite Stevie Wonder album, some good songs on it, but not an album I would normally play from beginning to end. However this one had the most impressive sound stage of all the rock/pop titles, both the detail & fulness of the sound was pretty mind blowing & so I did listen to the whole thing.....Here's hoping that Innervision & Talking Book get the same impressive treatment.

The Rolling Stones' Exile On Main Street: Not one of my favorite Stones album, however this did sound quite good. Some tracks (particularly those with more heavy dubbing in them) sounded fantastic, while others just sounded pretty good. I wish they were continuing with releases that weren't issued on SACD (in the US), but for whatever reason Let It Bleed is next.

Miles Davis Ascenseur pour l'echafaud: This has to be my favorite, or at least the one I keep putting on my player more often than any of the other discs, but that might just be because of the music & not the disc. This does sound better than the cd that came out about a decade ago with the bonus tracks, though I wouldn't consider it mind-blowing (it is a mellow release, so you probably won't notice as much in the sound stage), the detail is definitely there......and it includes all those bonus tracks that were deleted on the subsequent (and last) remaster). Definitely seek this one out.

Bob Marley Kaya: This one has a very robust sound to it & it doesn't overshadow the detail in the music, bass comes through quite nicely. Another favorite of these releases.

Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong: Ella & Louis/Ella & Louis Again. This is one's done right. 2 albums on one disc. Menus are a pain though ( just a single menu picture with no tracklistings). Another must have disc.

Pierre Henry Messe pour le temps present: This one's more for the experimentally minded. It does sound better (in all its quirkiness) than the cd (which I've had for about 2 decades).

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#2598 Post by dwk » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:35 am

manicsounds wrote:Well, according to the back covers, the movies are the original Japanese versions, but with only a Dolby Digital 2.0 soundtrack for each, with none of the bonus materials from the Shout! releases...

Looking at the reviews of the Shout! DVDs, they only had commentary tracks on the first two films and some photo galleries. No big loss there. A bigger concern is whether or not Mill Creek is going to put four films on one disc or spread them across two discs.

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#2599 Post by Drucker » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:44 am

The Film Foundation restoration of The Leopard gets another blu ray release with high marks. This one's from Italy. Includes English subtitles! Only features Italian language track.

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#2600 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:10 am

Thank God. The Madman BD from Australia was getting ridiculously hard to find.

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