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zedz
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#201 Post by zedz » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:26 pm

Ah, beat me to it. You lose a generation with optical work, and this effect is compounded with each additional generation lost, so the effect is even more intrusive with a dupe than it is in a first generation print. The problem is,
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like hearing the cut in Strawberry Fields Forever,
once you start seeing this effect, you can't really unsee it, so you develop a 'stand by for dissolve' mode of viewing.

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#202 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:34 pm

Thank God for Daisy Kenyon, the only bright point of the recent debacle of Fox Noir releases. Though it's the least "noir" noir film in the entire line, at least it's a good film! Preminger's camera movements are wonderful, the very adult story surprised me at every turn (It took like an hour before I could even figure out what kind of movie this was supposed to be!) and Fonda in particular was really good-- a laid-back character who is nevertheless two steps ahead of everyone for the entire film, could anyone have played it better? I don't think so.

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#203 Post by david hare » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:18 am

Daisy Kenyon is not a Noir. It's Preminger. At peak form.

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#204 Post by wpqx » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:37 pm

I'd still like to know what the hell happened to Boomerang

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#205 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:39 pm

If you threw it right, it should have been back by now.

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#206 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:09 pm

davidhare wrote:This is called "Popping" and it happens because the negs and prints were both done on Eastman. Only Technicolor IB had a system of running two strips of unexposed film for every optical sequence which were complete from the previous edit to the subseqent edit, thus you got flawless optical dissolves or other effetcs without any generational loss of printing, and identical fine grain structure.
Pah! Serves me right for trying to post away from home. Reading comprehension goes down the drain. My bad.. I didn't catch the "every" part.

And z, regarding Strawberry Feilds... that stuff can really amplify in your mind in your own works... you are aware of all the seams and joins and you think they're as perfectly obvious to everyone else as they are to you, whereas they would have never heard it if you didn't point it out to them.

Then of course their attention to it grows like a cancer.

"Now that's all I hear!"

"Dagnabbit!"

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#207 Post by zedz » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:32 pm

HerrSchreck wrote:And z, regarding Strawberry Feilds... that stuff can really amplify in your mind in your own works... you are aware of all the seams and joins and you think they're as perfectly obvious to everyone else as they are to you, whereas they would have never heard it if you didn't point it out to them.

Then of course their attention to it grows like a cancer.

"Now that's all I hear!"

"Dagnabbit!"
These are the real spoilers, not crummy plot twists, and they should be played close to the chest.

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#208 Post by HerrSchreck » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:15 am

You're playing too much ukelele z. Which is played as close to the chest as possible.

Of course I've always been a fan of large breasted women. Keeps me around the chest vicinity wise... but theres only so close to the sternum one can get on the general approach.

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Ida Lupino Collection?

#209 Post by Ashirg » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:58 am

DVD Empire now lists two Ida Lupino titles coming September 2 - Moontide and Road House.

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#210 Post by Haggai » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:33 am

These are probably going to be part of the Fox Noir DVD line. They're also listing the OOP Boomerang for release on the same date.

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Re: Ida Lupino Collection?

#211 Post by shearerchic » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:40 am

Ashirg wrote:DVD Empire now lists two Ida Lupino titles coming September 2 - Moontide and Road House.
Yeah they're for the noir line. If someone released a Lupino set, it'd be probably be Warners.

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#212 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:30 pm

Glad to hear that the last wave didn't end the Fox Noir line, though it would have been a mercy killing

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#213 Post by Jeff » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:20 am

Classicflix has the announcement for the next wave of titles.

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#214 Post by Cinephrenic » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:02 pm

Soon they are going to call everything with dark shades in it "noir". I was expecting a few more titles.

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#215 Post by wpqx » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:06 pm

Quite the contrary this is the best series of titles so far in the series. I've been fooled by Boomerang before, and still remember pre-ordering it two years ago, but it's long been near the top of my list of American films to see, and Moontide is also one I've been very curious from what I've read Fritz Lang worked as an uncredited director on the project.

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#216 Post by dr. calamari » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:56 pm

Now that I've finally located 2 copies of Boomerang for a reasonable price, Fox announces a September release.

Swell.

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#217 Post by HerrSchreck » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:05 pm

And you probably paid 50 bucks for it right?

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#218 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:41 pm

dr. calamari wrote:Now that I've finally located 2 copies of Boomerang for a reasonable price, Fox announces a September release.

Swell.
Put them up on Half quick

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#219 Post by souvenir » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:50 pm

wpqx wrote:Quite the contrary this is the best series of titles so far in the series. I've been fooled by Boomerang before, and still remember pre-ordering it two years ago, but it's long been near the top of my list of American films to see, and Moontide is also one I've been very curious from what I've read Fritz Lang worked as an uncredited director on the project.
Kind of curious calling it the best series of titles when you're admitting to not having seen two of them. :wink:

Lang barely worked on Moontide and his fingerprints were washed away by Archie Mayo. Can't say that I'm fond of Boomerang either, and it's pretty far from being a film noir.

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#220 Post by dr. calamari » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:00 pm

HerrSchreck wrote:And you probably paid 50 bucks for it right?
Nope...$14.99 each. Planning to keep one, sell the other. I just hope after all the aggravation, the movie turns out to be worth the wait. In it's favor, at least it wasn't directed by Henry Hathaway, so it's less likely to be sleep inducing.

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#221 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:03 pm

Famous last words

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#222 Post by david hare » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:36 pm

Lang barely worked on Moontide and his fingerprints were washed away by Archie Mayo
It's still well worth having, if only for the coupling of Gabin and Lupino. (And indeed Thomas Mitchell as the third in the menage yet again playing a kind of homo-erotically subtexted malevolent "buddy" with a secret.) Despite Lang's less than visible stamp on the picture it is definitely a must have also for the kind of recontextualization of Quai des Brumes atmospherics and the "presentation" of the Gabin Persona into an English language movie. Even if these elements don't always jell the movie remains constantly fascinating and enjoyable, right down to the little terrier who adopts him (and Lupino.) Certainly as a Gabin picture it is far more successfull than Duvivier's rejig of his own '36 La Bandera into their joint American vehicle, the Impostor in 1942. Both Duviv and Gabin falter in this one I think. And the magic just doesn't happen. No Lupino for one thing.

I don't think the screenplay, which appears ot have undergone rewrites from John O'Hara through Nunally Johnson and others ends up being at all right as a Langian vehicle - no real sense of fatalism for one thing, although the "compromised" characters might ahve been potentially fertile ground for Lang. Also, curisouly the production doesn't look like it was lavished with much dough, and Lucien Ballard as co DP has to work hard to maintain a consistently effective mise en place with pretty limited resources.

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#223 Post by Si Parallel Universe » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:43 pm

Jeff wrote:Classicflix has the announcement for the next wave of titles.

Well I know Road House is definitely considered a Noir so that is great news and [shamefully] I know little about Moontide as for Boomerang I'll believe it when I see it. ;)

What with the rumoured Cry Of The City getting the CC treatment sometime soon this is getting better for the Fox Noir titles. The OCD part of my brain is wondering if the spine number of Boomerang will be #16 as per the withdrawn release [which I was lucky to pick up 1st time around].

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Fox Noir Collection

#224 Post by filmnoir1 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:51 am

This is welcome news. I already have Boomerang and i do not believe that it will ever be released at least until all the people connected to the killer have died.

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#225 Post by wpqx » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:13 pm

What I mean by my enthusiasm is that these films I've been looking forward to seeing, unlike the last 6 or so titles in the series (aside from the Preminger's). I've always been a big fan of Kazan so noir or not I'm dying to see Boomerang.

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