The Conformist and 1900

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#101 Post by rohmerin » Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:47 pm

the extras, these interviews, are in English or in Italian? I expect they're in Italian because I doubt they have English (or Spanish) subtitles. Althought, they talk with accent, so I expect I can understand them.

the 2 films will arrive to my place after Xmas, what a long wait ! #-o

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#102 Post by tavernier » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:18 pm

rohmerin wrote:the extras, these interviews, are in English or in Italian? I expect they're in Italian because I doubt they have English (or Spanish) subtitles. Althought, they talk with accent, so I expect I can understand them.

the 2 films will arrive to my place after Xmas, what a long wait ! #-o
In English...

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#103 Post by pro-bassoonist » Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:08 am

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davidhare wrote:Lino do you think it's worh my double dipping for this 1900 against the PAL R2/4 version (which I realize is weakish?)
I wouldn't know. For now, I am perfectly comfortable with my italian DVD but I guess I'll wait for some Beaver shots. Er, right.
I have the DVD for review at DVDTALK which should be up shortly but wanted to give you a quick summary:

The video quality on the R1 is noticeably BETTER than the R2/R4. Detail is much better as it is the actual print. The softness from the R2/4 has been addressed although I still see some minor macro-blocking. The color scheme is also addressed although there is slightly more redish on the day-light scenes. The supervised print for the R1 release is also substantially better when blown through a digital projector as definition remains solid (it does not break down as the R2/R4). To sum it all up: 1900 is definitely worth a double-dip as the print is in visibly better condition than when compared side by side with the R2/R4.

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#104 Post by Dylan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:35 am

Thanks Svet, this is great news. I look forward to your review.

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#105 Post by Dylan » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:27 pm

1900 back cover:

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Conformist back cover:

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I guess it's not too long before the reviews start pouring in.

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#106 Post by Arn777 » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:02 pm

I received The Conformist today, a very solid transfer with strong colours and proper ratio and good audio, I'm particularly happy Paramount included the French track.

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#107 Post by Jean-Luc Garbo » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:52 pm

What's the aspect ratio on these two films?

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#108 Post by Dylan » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:59 pm

1.85:1

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#109 Post by Arn777 » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:38 am

The Conformist is 1.66:1

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#110 Post by Dylan » Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:52 am

I've seen it referenced as both, actually, but you're right, it's not quite 1.85: the TCM broadcast was boxed in which gave us the appearence of 1.85 on the tube.
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#111 Post by Arn777 » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:09 am

The DVD is anamorphic with black bars on the side to respect the 1.66 ratio.

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#112 Post by HerrSchreck » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:18 am

Surprised Gary didn't post caps on this yet. Can any of you guys drop caps into the shack and link them in?

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#113 Post by Dylan » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:21 am

The DVD is anamorphic with black bars on the side to respect the 1.66 ratio.
Excellent, can't wait to see it.

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#114 Post by Arn777 » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:35 am

Wish I could post screen grabs but don't knowe how to. I saw The Conformist at the Film Forum in NY last year and wasn't impressed by the print. The dvd really looks good.

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#115 Post by HerrSchreck » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:37 am

What didn't you like about the print?-- I was there too and just curious regarding what you'd seen.

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#116 Post by Dylan » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:57 am

The print I saw theatrically looked good (and, although this has been addressed, I do remember it being precisely 1.66:1 now...silly me, it's only my second-favorite film in the world), if a little too soft and muted (but I was still fawning because until that point all I had seen was the awful bootleg).

Arn, when you put the DVD in and press play on the menu, the original Italian track with English subtitles is automatic, right?
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#117 Post by Arn777 » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:58 am

Maybe I was still jetlagged, but I found it quite murky.

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#118 Post by Lino » Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:35 am

Are there any original theatrical trailers to be found on the DVDs?

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#119 Post by pro-bassoonist » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:01 pm

Dylan wrote:Arn, when you put the DVD in and press play on the menu, the original Italian track with English subtitles is automatic, right?
Dylan: On 1900 actually you get an "automatic" English track...but you could easily switch to the Italian (or French).

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#120 Post by Arn777 » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:15 pm

Same on The conformist, you get the English track first, as I said before I prefer the French track.

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#121 Post by Gigi M. » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:32 pm

Arn777 wrote:Same on The conformist, you get the English track first, as I said before I prefer the French track.
You prefer the French over the original Italian?

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#122 Post by MichaelB » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:55 pm

Gigi M. wrote:You prefer the French over the original Italian?
Presumably you get Jean-Louis Trintignant's own voice in the French version?

It sounds to me that it's a bit like the situation with The Leopard where Italian is clearly the most historically realistic language to opt for - but in doing so you have to put up with the lead actor being dubbed. And I've never known whether to favour French or Spanish for Luis Bunuel's Tristana...

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#123 Post by Arn777 » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:58 pm

Yes, for Trintignant Sanda and Clementi's original voice. For the rest of the cast, French dubs at the time were actually very good.

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#124 Post by Cinesimilitude » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:09 pm

Arn777 wrote:Yes, for Trintignant Sanda and Clementi's original voice. For the rest of the cast, French dubs at the time were actually very good.
It's problematic, cause obviously Bertolucci approved of what the final italian version was. Everyone just spoke what they knew back then, and then they'd worry about the soundtrack after. I like to stick with whatever the director's preference is.

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#125 Post by Dylan » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:25 pm

Same on The Conformist, you get the English track first
What a poor decision. For the "dance of the blind" segment, I'm assuming it switches to Italian, then? That's going to confuse almost every casual viewer.

Personally, I don't understand why anybody would want to watch "The Conformist" in anything but Italian (and the same goes for "The Leopard" and "L' Eclisse" and "La Strada" and "Rocco and His Brothers" and every other Italian film where an actor is dubbed). I could go on for about five pages about how the Italian language is integral to the success of this film, but particularly when he goes to France (where incidental French is spoken by the cast), Marcello Clerici must be speaking Italian for that part of the story to make perfect sense (the scene where Gastone Moschin is accused by a French woman of speaking Italian to French birds surely must be lost in both dubs, among other scenes).

However, I can understand watching it in French more than I can understand Paramount's decision to put the English dub on automatic.
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