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#376 Post by MichaelB » Sat May 17, 2008 4:21 pm

[quotea2="denti alligator"]Aren't these all the plays[ia2] written for [/ia2]television, Michael? What else is there? Perhaps there were stage plays presented on television, but I thought these were all the ones written specifically for tv.[/quotea2]
Sorry, my mistake - I didn't register that [ia2]Nur noch Gewölk[/ia2] is [ia2]...but the clouds...[/ia2]. So technically, this does indeed comprise all of Beckett's television work - though only some of the productions are the original ones.

It's also worth noting that the 1975 BBC version of [ia2]Not I[/ia2] is sharply different in impact from the stage version, and should by rights be considered a separate work. Beckett himself acknowledged this when he said that he never realised the mouth/vagina parallel until he watched the gigantic close-up of Billie Whitelaw's mouth on which the camera is fixated throughout (if I remember rightly, it's a single unbroken take - the Auditor is missing).

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#377 Post by ptmd » Sun May 18, 2008 2:27 pm

Wow, those are all tremendously exciting releases but I can't find any mention of English subtitles. Does anyone know if they will be included on any of these?

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#378 Post by MichaelB » Sun May 18, 2008 2:53 pm

[quoted1="ptmd"]Wow, those are all tremendously exciting releases but I can't find any mention of English subtitles. Does anyone know if they will be included on any of these?[/quoted1]
Well, the English-language scripts are readily available, so I'm sure someone will knock fan subs together - assuming there's any need for them.

I'm also guessing that the pieces with Billie Whitelaw are in English to begin with (if I remember rightly, Joe doesn't actually speak, so the actor's nationality is irrelevant), and I don't recall [id1]Quad[/id1] having any spoken content.

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#379 Post by Tommaso » Sun May 18, 2008 3:01 pm

Well, with arte stummfilmedition you never know, some of them have English subs, some not. Both their Kozintsev discs do, and as these are among the most recent, let's hope they will continue this practice with these new releases.

"Kuhle Wampe" does not come from arte, though, but is a collaboration between absolut medien (arte's distributor) with the German Suhrkamp Verlag (as is the Beckett disc), and I fear that there will be no subs.
With the Beckett, as Michael says, there shouldn't be any problems at all anyway.

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#380 Post by ptmd » Sun May 18, 2008 3:55 pm

Yes, indeed, subtitles won't be necessary for most of the Beckett films, but I'm actually most interested in the Sjostrom and Stiller releases. Here's hoping Arte includes subtitles on those (or that Criterion includes Kiss of Death in their upcoming Phantom Carriage release).

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#381 Post by whaleallright » Sun May 18, 2008 6:51 pm

Speaking as someone who loves Sjöström, KISS OF DEATH isn't very interesting. It's a fragment of a film (a little less than half; the conclusion has to be recreated with verbose titles). It's mostly notable for Sjöström using some superimpositions to permit him to play two roles at once, and for a somewhat advanced flashback structure, which Sjöström was to explore later with greater facility. The story is a likely hastily-concocted melodrama. It was the first Sjöström film to reach France after the War. Louis Delluc praised it for its subdued acting, but its reputation was quickly eclipsed by the masterpieces that followed.

Not to say you shouldn't see it, but it's probably not worth purchasing the Arte edition over the eventual Criterion on this basis.

Aside from the many lost films, the Sjöström films from this era (1916–19) that are most interesting and that haven't made it to home video are the actioner SEA VULTURES (about half of this survives), THE GIRL FROM THE MARSH CROFT (a masterpiece; all of it survives), and THE SONS OF INGMAR (his biggest hit in Sweden, and possibly his best film!).

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#382 Post by ptmd » Sun May 18, 2008 7:09 pm

Thanks for the comments on Kiss of Death. I have seen The Sons of Ingmar, and it is indeed amazing. I would love to see that on DVD (of course, that's true of just about any-unreleased Sjostrom). According to Amazon, the Sea Vultures was released on a PAL VHS at some point. Does anyone have more information about this?

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#383 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri May 23, 2008 12:01 pm

Speaking of fragments of lost films, has anyone gotten a look at this dvd of Cinefest 2007, "Film In Herzen Europas"? Notable because of it's inclusion of the four minute fragment of the lost 1915 version of [idb]Der Golem [/idb]by Paul Wegener. The fragment was restored by the Bundesarchiv/Filmarchiv, and-- cool piece of luck-- includes footage of Wegener in full Golem costume. More info on it here at filmhistoriker.de. Scroll three articles down.

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#384 Post by Knappen » Fri May 23, 2008 12:28 pm

I always thought the 1920 version a tad overrated and even more so now that I have discovered so many silent masterpieces unavailable before the digital revolution.

I guess I don't share your opinon here, Schreck?

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#385 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri May 23, 2008 12:54 pm

There are musty conventions in [i2c]Golem [/i2c]to be sure.. the acting, the melodrama, etc.. but there are so many things to commend it. The sets are just astronomically beautiful, as is the creation sequence, and the sense of inhabiting a decaying, leaning, decrepit, ancient medieval ghetto, with each room in the labyrinthine set worn smooth by the passage of a zillion ancestors who lived there before, and haunt. I also like how the religious aspect is played down, and the supernatural elements played up... even the sequences of prayer are shot by Freund & Wegener in highly supernatural terms, first with the reading of the stars, then via the single source-lit prayer ceremony lighting the room of bowed heads and the rest in total darkness beneath the candles (not to mention the conjuring of the exodus or whatever for the king, which prefigures the Babel scene in Metropolis-- and the subequent castle collapse)... this as opposed to Duviv's reading of the tale which is basically (I'm exaggerating) a beautifully shot passage from the Talmud or something. (I actually like the Duviv version quite a bit and think it odd that it's not available on dvd, even in France. I have an old Hens Tooth VHS from the US. Bald golem wut?)

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#386 Post by Knappen » Fri May 23, 2008 1:06 pm

Have you heard about the Martin Fric version from 1951 BTW? It's available on French dvd.

Here is the story behind it:

Jan Werich saw Wegener's Golem when he was a child and since then became obsessed with the story. Some years later, he met Jiri Voskovec and they launched a theater company together...One of the first plays they wrote was an humoristic version of the Golem (something like 20 years before this film). It was so successful they thought of making a film, so they looked for an experienced director and found... Julien Duvivier.
Duvivier took the project...but rewrote everything, removed the 2 characters played by Werich & Voskovec and hired Harry Baur as Rodolphe II instead. Although the film was done, they sued Duvivier (&won)
...but it was already 1937, (you know, troubled times...) and the pair emigrated to U.S.
So it took another 10 years before Werich came back to Checkoslovakia, and relaunch the project, this time with... Jiri Krejcik as director. Strong disagreements followed , Martin Fric replaced Jiri Krejcik, and film was finally done as Werich intended.
...Well, almost, because he had also to compose with some socialist realism constraints...

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#387 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri May 23, 2008 1:29 pm

No never even heard of it. A comedy Golem? Císaruv pekar a pekaruv císar can you dig it...

Have you sKnapped up a copy? Is it like the Golem equivalent of [ic7]Young Frankenstein [/ic7](which would be a compliment)? What's your opinion of it?

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#388 Post by Knappen » Tue May 27, 2008 1:50 pm

If I'm not lured into an alcoholic and/or narcotic stupor by my friends I might see it this weekend. I'll report.

Edit: So, to follow up my promise: The weekend turned out quite disadvantageously for Císaruv pekar a pekaruv císar, but I screened the first part of my newly arrived and still unseen copy of [b10]La Roue[/b10] with a projector for the group of friends and leechers that crashed at my place after a long night on the town. Most of them, unfamiliar with silent films, were impressed by what they saw on the screen, but most of all by their own ability to find music from my itunes library that seemed to go very well the images - at least that's what they thought according to the state they were in.

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#389 Post by filmnoir1 » Thu May 29, 2008 12:24 pm

Has anyone purchased or seen the box set of Valentino films that were released earlier this year? I am in the process of reading a biography of Valentino entitled The Dark Lover for the preparation of a paper I am working on about Ken Russell's film Valentino from the 1970s.
My real question is whether the films in the box set are restored or have visual imperfections like so many of the Kino silents that get released. Any suggestions would be greatly welcomed because i am focusing on Valentino as an alternative type of screen masculinity.

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#390 Post by HerrSchreck » Thu May 29, 2008 6:29 pm

It's a Flicker Alley release, and I posted these comments for it over on that thread:

[quote2b]I've (actually my girlfriend) acquired the VALENTINO collection and can say two things: if you're a Valentino fan, this thing will be a dream come true. It has so many extras, from funeral photos, recordings, etc & footage from inside his Ca. house Falcons Lair (from the days he lived in it, from mid-century, or at present... you can select three different guided tours), in depth digital Who's WHo in his life, and the four films, a couple of which were previously lost. So far I've watched MORAN OF THE LADY LETTY which is actually a pretty cool and well put together melodrama with a really unusual story, shot almost entirely on location in the actual story venues, and-- where the bulk of the story takes place-- out on the sea on a pirated merchant vessel. The downside is the condition of the elements... MAJOR switch from the sublimely pristine state of the PHANTOM negative and beautiful NTSC transfer... these are all in more or less battered 16mm. I don't think a single film is from 35mm elements. But the rarity, and the serviceability of the melodrama & direction (at least what Ive seen, and I'm no major Valentino fan, though I did like BEYOND THE ROCKS) make it worthwhile. If you're a fan of his, you'll be in heaven with those extras.[/quote2b]
The condition of the prints on this film is basically the point: these are ultra rare titles, a couple of which are incomplete and formerly considered lost forever. The "visual imperfections" you mean-- do you mean pal/ntsc issues for European digibetas on Kino releases, or do you mean "films in less than optimal conditions"? The former is not an issue since these are native ntsc transfers, but the latter is an issue that affects silents regardless of the company... and these films are generally in abysmal condition-- but its not the fault of Flicker Alley. The Young Rajah for example: it was considered lost, then a decent sized fragment of the film turned up in the hands of a collector... in a battered, terrifically filthy looking 16mm print. The buyer then did a straight like for like dupe of the element, and [i2b]promptly destroyed the original..[/i2b]. without washing it, making any effort to run wet gate on it, etc. So the preservation on it is forever fucked beyond measure, far worse than it needed to be-- if they would have just held on to the original and got it into proper hands of a photochem resto house.

Rather than thwack F.A. for putting out a film in this condition, thank them for taking the risk of putting it out despite its condition, so that we can at last see it. Right? Because you have no choice if you want to see the film.

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#391 Post by jsteffe » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:22 am

So did anyone ever pick up the Absolut Medien/ARTE disc of Pudovkin's Storm Over Asia? I don't expect it has subtitles, but I'm curious about how the transfer looks. Any improvement over the Shepard/Blackhawk Films version?

Also, what about the reconstruction of Kuleshov's The Project of Engineer Pright? Does it have English subtitles or at least Russian-language title cards?

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#392 Post by Tommaso » Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:31 am

Both discs are not yet released, so no information available at this point. I'll get the Kuleshev soon and will report back.

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#393 Post by jsteffe » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:13 am

[quote8a="Tommaso"]Both discs are not yet released, so no information available at this point. I'll get the Kuleshev soon and will report back.[/quote8a]
Thanks! By all means let us know.

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#394 Post by Tommaso » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:47 am

To add to the confusion, there is ANOTHER new disc of "Storm over Asia" released in Germany by Icestorm just now. It is reviewed here.

And the horrible or laughable (as you like) thing is that this is actually a DUBBED version. Yes, you got it right: someone at DEFA studios in the 50s obviously thought the film needed German dialogue, so they put it on... and Icestorm (one of the dumbest labels around here) dared to release that on disc.

So, in any case, if you want the forthcoming arte disc, make sure you don't confuse it with this one when ordering.
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#395 Post by jsteffe » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:56 am

[quote5a="Tommaso"]To add to the confusion, there is ANOTHER new disc of "Storm over Asia" released in Germany by Icestorm just now. It is reviewed here.

And the horrible or laughable (as you like) thing is that this is actually a DUBBED version. Yes, you got it right: someone at DEFA studios in the 50s obviously thought the film needed German dialogue, so they put it on... and Icestorm (one of the dumbest labels around here) dared to release that on disc.

So, in any case, if you want the forthcoming arte disc, make sure you don't confuse it with this one when ordering.[/quote5a]
Thanks--I saw that Icestorm DVD on Amazon.de and was utterly mystified. Of course, this is hardly the first time a silent film has been dubbed, but why release it on DVD? Possibly the worst ever mangling of a silent film is Chaplin's voiceover for [i5a]The Gold Rush[/i5a]. "Oh, the little tramp is so hungry! What shall he do?" I call this the "worst ever" because the film is so brilliant as a silent, and because the artistic destruction is cheerfully wrought by the artist himself.

It turns out that the Absolut Medien/ARTE edition won't be released until 22 August.

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#396 Post by Tommaso » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:40 pm

jsteffe wrote:Of course, this is hardly the first time a silent film has been dubbed, but why release it on DVD?
Because Icestorm bought large chunks of the defunct DEFA (the state film company of the equally defunct East German State) catalogue and their Russian prints and want to get their money back by all means. They equally mishandled their Tarkovsky discs, all of which only contain German audio, simply because they were taken from those East German prints. Same for their disc of "Dersu Uzala", which might actually have been interesting because it is definitely not sourced from the abominable Ruscico version; but again: no original audio. Icestorm should clearly be avoided.

You're quite right about Chaplin, of course, but the fact that he himself was involved with the dubbed version makes it at least an 'authorized' version (though pretty much misguided, too). This can hardly be said about the Pudovkin.
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#397 Post by filmnoir1 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:40 am

On greencine in the daily film blog there is one of the biggest announcements of the year regarding silent film and silent film history. The lost reels of Lang's Metropolis have been discovered in Buenos Aires and it looks like these reels will be remastered and restored to the current release prints of the film. At long last, we will be able to view Lang's masterpiece the way that audiences in 1927 saw it and the way in which he intended the film to play.

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#398 Post by jsteffe » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:23 am

[quote4e="filmnoir1"]On greencine in the daily film blog there is one of the biggest announcements of the year regarding silent film and silent film history. The lost reels of Lang's Metropolis have been discovered in Buenos Aires and it looks like these reels will be remastered and restored to the current release prints of the film. At long last, we will be able to view Lang's masterpiece the way that audiences in 1927 saw it and the way in which he intended the film to play.[/quote4e]
Sort of--there are conflicting accounts on this. According to the article in Welt Online, they found most, but not all, of the missing footage--85% of it per Rainer Rother of the Berlin Filmmuseum. Also, it's in 16mm and is apparently quite degraded. Still, it's an amazing find, and it's good to know that we'll eventually get to see the footage, regardless of its poor condition. BTW, here's the GreenCine Daily piece filmnoir1 mentioned, as well as the press release from the Murnau-Stiftung.

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#399 Post by Tommaso » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:16 pm

More about this in the dedicated "Metropolis" thread. Over there, there is a brief statement by Koerber quoted in which he says that it's indeed the original Lang cut, and it's complete apart from one scene at the end of a reel which is too damaged to be saved. Looks like it's more than Rother's 85% estimation, then.
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#400 Post by HerrSchreck » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:58 pm

I don't think this was posted here before (just got it in the Kino e-newsletter): Kino is getting set to release Franz Osten's silent epic A Throw of the Dice from 1928.

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[quotec8]The 1929 silent extravaganza from India
With a New Orchestral Score by Nitin Sawhney

A lavish silent super-production comprising 10,000 extras, a thousand horses, and scores of elephants, A Throw of Dice is the climax of German film pioneer Franz Osten's richly cinematic sojourn in India. In this "fairy tale for adults" (BBC) inspired by the ancient Sanskrit epic poem The Mahabharata, royal cousins and rulers of adjoining kingdoms King Sohat (producer/star Himansu Rai) and King Rajit (Charu Roy) share a reckless passion for gambling, the perilous jungle tiger hunt, and the beautiful maiden Sunita (Seeta Devi). After a tiger nearly claims Rajit's life, Sunita nurses the handsome young king back to health and becomes his bride. Knowing that the only thing stronger than love in Rajit's heart is a compulsive fascination with games of chance, jealous Sohat challenges his cousin to a winner-take-all contest where the stakes are freedom, marriage, and life itself.

"Lovingly restored" (The Guardian UK) by the British Film Institute to a level of ravishing spectacle and splendor unseen since its debut in 1929, this "immaculately dressed and beautifully shot" (Times of London) masterpiece of the late silent period is complemented by a "stirring" (Guardian) and "brilliantly evocative new score" (BBC) composed by Nitin Sawhney. A sensation when it re-premiered in London's Trafalgar Square in 2007, Kino is proud to present A Throw of Dice for the first time on US DVD.

1929 Germany / India / UK 74 min. B&W
Silent with Music Original Aspect Ratio (1.33:1)


MUSIC: NITIN SAWHNEY performed by THE LONDON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA conductor: STEPHEN HUSSEY © 2006 Fandango SRL

a film by FRANZ OSTEN A THROW OF DICE (prapancha pash)
SEETA DEVI CHARU ROY HIMANSU RAI and SARADA GUPTA
photography EMIL SCHÜNEMANN art director PROMODE NATH screenplay W.A.
BURTON and MAX JUNGK from a story by NIRANJAN PAL
Produced by UFA BRITISH INSTRUCTIONAL FILMS and HIMANSU RAI FILM
Directed by FRANZ OSTEN
© 2006 A Throw of Dice Ltd.
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