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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:24 pm 
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domino harvey wrote:
I feel like this is the wrong link, though perhaps Bone Alone's references to Home Alone are more esoteric than I realized


Devastated to hear you aren't a fan of The Evil Within 2.

Does anyone know specifically why Germany is such a huge buyer?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:49 pm 
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Whoops! Fixed the link now! :)


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:04 am 
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MichaelB wrote:
And the chart also explains why eastern European Blu-rays are (a) as rare as hen's teeth (especially local product), and (b) so much more expensive than their DVD equivalents that I often favour the latter.


I had a quick look for Australia, and the most recent figures I could find (for 2016) said that Blu-rays made up about 19% of the disc market, which probably explains why quite a number of new films are getting DVD-only releases. There are also streaming services, but it seems that Australians prefer to buy rather than rent their films digitally. Here and here.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:26 am 
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Big Ben wrote:
Does anyone know specifically why Germany is such a huge buyer?

That's the true question. I wonder if they were historically already huge DVD buyers. It might be a historical trend.

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It's hard to say from the data above (especially since the last year for the Blu-ray only sales figures is 2013), but I would think DVD is still outselling Blu-ray.


In France, it still vastly is the case, with DVD sales being 4.7 times higher than BD sales in volume, and 2.7 times in value (based on Jan-Sept 2017).
In 2015, it was a 5.5 ratio in volume / 3.1 in value, in 2013 6.8 / 3.5. You can see how it's closing in, but both markets are dropping (-14% for DVD YtY and -6.4% YtY for BD) so the intensity of the drops themselves will also impact how fast (or if at all) BD end up outselling DVD. I suppose that the longest it take, the most likely BD sales are likely to drop more and more each year.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:35 pm 

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domino harvey wrote:
colinr0380 wrote:
domino harvey wrote:
Wow, no wonder so many movies get releases in Germany and nowhere else

I think it is an absolute travesty that Germany has a Blu-ray release of Bone Alone and we have to make do with a DVD!

(It was either that joke or something about the sheer number of Schoolgirl Report films)

I feel like this is the wrong link, though perhaps Bone Alone's references to Home Alone are more esoteric than I realized


"Esoteric?" Domino, Home Alone is not a food!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:50 am 
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Big Ben wrote:
Does anyone know specifically why Germany is such a huge buyer?

I suspect the answer has to do with Germany's draconian anti-piracy laws. I'm not sure how they manage to be so controlling of everything - but I know of at least three people who received a fine from the German government after they were in Germany and downloaded a movie/music.

It even goes overboard - like I tried sending someone a youtube video once, and it was blocked in Germany. Fortunately there was about 50 other uploads, but of those 50, only 1 of them worked (yes, we kept trying rather than give up).

I guess unlike the rest of the world, its the government who goes after pirates, not the companies. So if you want to watch something in Germany, its down to streaming or buying the film.

Then you also factor in all of the DVD/Blus that still get banned there (the video nasty era never died in Germany)...


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:12 am 
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Minkin wrote:
Big Ben wrote:
Does anyone know specifically why Germany is such a huge buyer?

I suspect the answer has to do with Germany's draconian anti-piracy laws. I'm not sure how they manage to be so controlling of everything - but I know of at least three people who received a fine from the German government after they were in Germany and downloaded a movie/music.

I understand how it might entice people to buy a bit more than elsewhere, but wallets aren't infinitely extensible.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:00 am 
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If I had to guess, I'd say it has more to do with the strength of the German economy, which apparently allows for very good marketing for Blu-ray in stores and online, unlike say the US, where only the biggest new release films coming to Blu-ray are advertised. A great example of this is that Germany has its own dedicated Blu-ray website Bluray-disc.de. Other than Blu-ray.com in the US, I don't know if any other large member sites dedicated to the Blu-ray, only a handful of much smaller review sites that stick to the format.

One other additional aspect is probably German-language dub tracks going lossless and going 5.1 or greater with more frequency, which I'm assuming dovetails nicely with any improvements in dubbed audio recording.

Plus, any potential benefits to Germany also come to the rest of German-speaking Europe, like Austria and much of Switzerland, and vice-versa, often in spite of Germany's FSK censorship, which itself does not appear as censorious as it was in years past. In fact, in terms of Europeans, the German language has the second largest population of speakers after Russian.

So I don't think it's really that surprising, to be honest.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:22 pm 
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I'm still not sure I believe it. I could believe that this is accurate for bricks and mortar retailers only, but I don't see Blu-ray being bought that much more in Germany than the UK.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:30 pm 
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Minkin wrote:
Big Ben wrote:
Does anyone know specifically why Germany is such a huge buyer?

I suspect the answer has to do with Germany's draconian anti-piracy laws. I'm not sure how they manage to be so controlling of everything - but I know of at least three people who received a fine from the German government after they were in Germany and downloaded a movie/music.

It even goes overboard - like I tried sending someone a youtube video once, and it was blocked in Germany. Fortunately there was about 50 other uploads, but of those 50, only 1 of them worked (yes, we kept trying rather than give up).

I guess unlike the rest of the world, its the government who goes after pirates, not the companies. So if you want to watch something in Germany, its down to streaming or buying the film.

Then you also factor in all of the DVD/Blus that still get banned there (the video nasty era never died in Germany)...


Interesting theory. It certainly is true that there is a huge market for Blu-rays here and that never occurred to me.

It's true that copyright laws here are draconian but its not the German government who fines people, there are law firms who use the law to hunt down people who torrent as a money making scheme. There also are companies who randomly send out letters to people, threatening them with prosecution hoping they will be intimidated enough to pay up. Then there are other law firms who specialise in getting a deal done to get the fine down. It's all a rip-off and fairly ridiculous. I just hope my VPN won't let me down.

The ban on violent films is not that bad anymore. You can get pretty much any new release uncut these days in the 18 rated section of any store that sells DVDs and BDs. There still are a few bans but then that's the case in the UK too. But you often can't get them online and if you do, you have to pay for a signed delivery for an age check.

What I do like is that there are laws here to stop online traders undercutting brick and mortar stores, which means that there still are plenty of stores where you can buy your media and it also protects book stores.


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