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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:29 am 
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Of course it's just semantics, but I think that anyone who has hundreds of DVDs surely counts as a collector of some degree, and that it isn't obsessional perfectionism and pursuit of the "original" that defines collecting. Whether books, records or blu-ray steelbooks, we're talking about mass-produced or perversely "limited-edition" mass-manufactured products, not paintings, Zulu spears or hand-fashioned Colonial-American farming implements. Collectors are no longer the wardens of unique objects. They are now only overambitious accumulators (of knowledge and products) at best or incipient completists at worst.

And I'm one of them.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:55 am 

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It's hard to say one isn't a collector when they have a collection of physical media.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:58 am 
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I havbe trouble finding adequate space for DVDs/Blus -- because my LPs take up the space that might otherwise be devoted to neater DVD/Blu storage.

Oh -- Drucker -- do give Idiot another chance someday -- there is a lot of marvelous stuff left in Idiot, even in its butchered form (have you read Dostoevsky's novel?)


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:25 pm 

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I have hundreds of DVDs in my apartment and I'm not a collector. They're just tools I use to do what I do (watch films; write about them) and totally disposable once I've achieved that purpose.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:02 pm 

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Michael Kerpan wrote:
I havbe trouble finding adequate space for DVDs/Blus -- because my LPs take up the space that might otherwise be devoted to neater DVD/Blu storage.

Oh -- Drucker -- do give Idiot another chance someday -- there is a lot of marvelous stuff left in Idiot, even in its butchered form (have you read Dostoevsky's novel?)


I know I need to. As I've mentioned elsewhere, my film appreciation is still pretty new for me and I've only been watching movies seriously for a few years. With that in mind, I'm not as used to the huge kevyip piles most of you seem to have accepted as reality! (though right now I'm at like 50 films, bigger than it's ever been!)

Never read the book. It's one of many I know I need to tackle (a shamefully long list). I was impressed with it and did enjoy the opening scenes, but the choppiness (just as a scene gets going-cut-narration card) of it did put me off a bit.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:46 pm 
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"Collector" is a pretty neutral term for somebody who owns and appreciates a large number of related objects, so I don't think anybody should be defensive about it. But there are degrees of focus / obsession, and the guys further around the dial than you are always going to appear crazy. I've been collecting records for decades, and the last time I counted (last century) there were more than 10,000 of them, but those guys who will buy the same music twice because of different picture sleeves? They need psychiatric help.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:33 pm 

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I think if you feel any need to rationalize your buying habits about this stuff in any way, you're probably a collector. I have a friend who is short of money constantly but "only spends $40 a week on records". If I own something on one format, I always have to justify it to myself mentally to buy the reissue (well they fixed it and it sounds really superior!) or nice copy of it on vinyl. Or if I have it on vinyl but want to listen to it in the car I need the CD, well obviously. etc. etc.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:33 pm 
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zedz wrote:
"Collector" is a pretty neutral term for somebody who owns and appreciates a large number of related objects, so I don't think anybody should be defensive about it.

The term seems to always have had negative connotations. I blame that Terence Stamp film!


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:34 pm 
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You're just that because of that stupid Caulfield book.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:36 pm 
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zedz wrote:
"Collector" is a pretty neutral term for somebody who owns and appreciates a large number of related objects, so I don't think anybody should be defensive about it. But there are degrees of focus / obsession, and the guys further around the dial than you are always going to appear crazy. I've been collecting records for decades, and the last time I counted (last century) there were more than 10,000 of them, but those guys who will buy the same music twice because of different picture sleeves? They need psychiatric help.
I agree with all this. Zedz, have you seen anything like this, by chance? When I was growing up there were a few limited white-vinyl pressings and the like that were fun to find within reason but since the vinyl "resurgence" apparently there are more bands so desperate to have their records to be sought after so they print them like they're rare Pokemon cards made for kids to fork over their allowance for. I don't want to throw any stones in glass houses, but there are definitely very different breeds of collectors.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:40 pm 

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Gregory, when you get records pressed these days, it's incredibly easy to get colored, or splatter-colored, records done. It costs like 5 cents extra a record or something, certainly a small fee. I would honestly say that when bands do this (mainly in the DIY punk culture) it's just because they look cool and no other reason. I wouldn't read too much into it.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:12 pm 
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To my knowledge, the pressing technology hasn't changed much since my early days. It seems like there are a few bands that do this far more than any others, knowing they have many die-hard collector fans who will buy many copies if there are 44 different versions. I don't think bands/labels that do that are naively innocent of how that kinds of collecting influences demand for their product, but certainly there are also bands and labels that do lots of colors solely with the expectation that each buyer will simply get one of a variety of colors and there's no marketing strategy involved.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:13 pm 

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Just head over to Blu-Ray.com. People freaking out over slipcovers and steelbooks for movies they admit they don't even like. I can't say I understand it.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:18 pm 

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Gregory, I guess I'm more talking about the majority of DIY punk/indie bands that press their own vinyl, who I don't think (and know quite a few) are doing it for any real reason. But surely, you're probably right about the bands that get records done for Record Store Day and the like.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:56 pm 
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zedz wrote:
I've been collecting records for decades, and the last time I counted (last century) there were more than 10,000 of them
I don't think I ever counted my collection of LPs. (I prefer not to know) ;~}


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:59 pm 
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Michael: That's not just LPs, by the way, that's everything.

Gregory: I've never run into anybody quite that crazy (I'll usually flee before it gets that extreme), but I did know people who'd want to pick up expensive Japanese pressings of Kate Bush singles, say, just because they featured a different photo on the cover. Basically, once it gets beyond being about the music, it gets beyond me. And I'm the kind of guy who can get quite excited about slightly-different mono mixes and marvel that the supremely anal compilation of multiple single mixes on that recent Roxy Music box set managed to leave off the version of 'The Numberer' with the extended intro, so I realise that I'm completely insane by most normal measures.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:15 pm 
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Insanity being obviously entirely relative. A friend of mine, to whom I generally give DVDs that aren't worth selling when I upgrade, was legitimately baffled when I had a castoff copy of the Casablanca blu, and sort of couldn't understand the idea of upgrading within a format.

I think that, while it's silly to pretend that someone who owns 1000 DVDs or blus isn't a 'collector', it's generally a fairly utilitarian hobby, slipcover and steelbook enthusiasts aside. There are certainly some people who will deliberately collect something like Criterion's original printing of M or what have you despite its demonstrable inferiority to the later releases purely out of a desire to have something that's out of print, but that's very much the exception rather than the rule- for the most part, it's a type of collection where selection is based almost entirely on content, and there's little sentimental attachment to any given actual copy of a DVD or blu. That's completely different from the comic book or baseball card collectors I know, and fairly different from the way I look at my (admittedly modest) LP and 45 collections- in those cases, it seems like there's a strong sentimental, historical, or autobiographical attachment to the given object, and not just to whatever it contains.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:37 am 
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zedz wrote:
Michael: That's not just LPs, by the way, that's everything. .

I don't count DVDs or CDs either. ;~}

Mainly I obsessed over composers, trying to assemble complete collections of Bach, Beethoven , Chopin, Haydn, Mahler, Mozart, Shostakovich, Wagner (among others), plus Broadway music and Early Music and World Music.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:22 am 
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There is also that distinction between collectors obsessed with the collecting and those obsessed with the medium, eg. someone who accrues vinyl because he loves to listen to it vs someone who doesn't listen to it and just values it as a collection of objects.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:38 am 
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Mr Sausage wrote:
There is also that distinction between collectors obsessed with the collecting and those obsessed with the medium, eg. someone who accrues vinyl because he loves to listen to it vs someone who doesn't listen to it and just values it as a collection of objects.

That's the distinction I previously made. The amount some people spend on collecting vinyl or pulp fiction, with no intention of ever actually enjoying it, is quite amazing.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:11 am 
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TMDaines wrote:
Mr Sausage wrote:
There is also that distinction between collectors obsessed with the collecting and those obsessed with the medium, eg. someone who accrues vinyl because he loves to listen to it vs someone who doesn't listen to it and just values it as a collection of objects.

That's the distinction I previously made. The amount of people some people spend on collecting vinyl or pulp fiction, with no intention of ever actually enjoying it, is quite amazing.

So you did. I must've skipped over that post for some reason.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:57 pm 
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Really fascinating to read everyone's opinion here, as I often wondered where I fit in. And I agree all is relative and in the end for me the question is, does collecting give the person a sense of joy or is it becoming an obsessive compulsion with many possible negative side effects, such as issues with significant others, financial woes, etc. And I admit that sometimes it can be both.

Reading the comments I definitely fall into the more extreme category, as I do collect some editions simply for completist reasons (e.g. I will not give away an older Criterion DVD version if the newer BD isn't an exact replicate, even though I know it's unlikely I will ever watch the older version again).

However, my main reason since childhood has always been the enjoyment of movies. I started with recording VHS tapes from broadcasts of the films I liked, then started collecting soundtracks both for the music but also to have a physical product that typically contained the artwork of the film I liked and then tried to get into LD, but simply couldn't afford it.
So when DVD came around I immediately jumped on the band wagon and quickly amassed a big collection, as finally some movies I only had read about over the years became available for me to see (and many turned out to be disappointments and ended up in the shelf never to be watched again - if I can get a decent return on eBay I will occasionally sell some of the ones I don't like). When BD came around it was a little bit of a different matter. Any movie I don't already own and can buy on BD I will over any DVD edition, but if I already own the DVD, it's a different matter. If the BD is acknowledged to be superior or has great additional supplements, I will double dip, if it belongs to a part of my collection where I try to have the complete collection, I will double dip, but otherwise I keep the DVD. I will say though that my DVD buying has been greatly curtailed by BDs, as I now only pick up DVDs, which I believe will not be issued on BD any time soon or likely ever.

While I do belong to the type of collector who actually watches everything he owns (although my kevyip is typically at least 6 to 9 months of watching) and love to have the physical media displayed in my home - and so far have never watched a single movie on a streamed medium - my biggest problem is space (especially since I also have a huge Comic Book Collection). So sadly I recently took the step of crating up over 1000 of my older DVDs and put them in a storage facility with the hope of eventually having a different space where I can display them all again - and it is that part where I think the fine line between love for something and insanity kicks in.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:34 pm 
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I've always considered myself a collector but lately I've been more than I usually would, even stuff I had no intention of really ever owning since there is now the fear physical media is going away and I'd like my son and daughter to have easy access to certain films. My son is only two months so I don't even know if he'll really care, but my daughter has taken a shine to movies. She goes through my collection constantly and asks me about them and we've sat and watched many together, of course limiting them to the stuff that would be more or less appropriate (no Apocalypes Now just yet...) That has set me off into buying many titles, and I've added quite a few I haven't watched yet since picking them up, though I've at least seen most of them before.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:10 pm 
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You can always tell the difference between a music lover and a record collector by asking him the name of the record he is holding. A music lover will say, for example, Brahms Violin Concerto by Johanna Martzy. A record collector will say, Columbia 33CX 1165, blue and gold.


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 Post subject: Re: DVD Library
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:28 am 
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I certainly agree that it seems silly not to concentrate on the actual work itself, instead on all the packaging or surrounding paraphenalia, which seems a little like not seeing the wood for the trees, but then I'm likely guilty of that as well (I do like my cataloguing!)

On that note: where does everyone stand on extra features? I'm honestly not too bothered about the audio or visual upgrade of the film itself (although I do like it to look its best and I've just spent the weekend surrounded by cables and remote controls as I upgraded from my CRT television and attached a surround sound system to the Blu-ray player for the first time! So that might lead to a change of mind!) but I find that different extras are often the thing that inspire me to re-buy another version of the same film. Even more annoying is when extras are variable between regions or some get lost, while others are added, during an upgrade.


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