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antnield
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Nineteen Eighty-Four

#1 Post by antnield » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:53 am

In November another piece of TV history finally sees the light of day once again, when Nigel Kneale’s 1954 adaptation of George Orwell’s classic Nineteen Eighty-Four, starring the great Peter Cushing, gets its DVD premiere.

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#2 Post by Dr Amicus » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:05 am

And about time too! I seem to remember this was submitted to the BBFC over 10 years ago, so I'm not sure what happened then.

I've seen the first 20 mins or so - BBC4 showed it about about 12 years ago - and that was remarkable. This was the repeat performance if I remember correctly, it was broadcast live and the first screening (that caused quite a stir, to put it mildly) wasn't recorded, but the second was. Cushing later claimed he felt the second performance wasn't as strong, but from what I've seen it is still really quite something.

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#3 Post by lefeufollet » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:24 pm

Outstanding! I can finally retire my VHS copy.

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#4 Post by Lowry_Sam » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:35 pm

Was hoping for a Criterion twofer combining this with the long out-of-print (R1) MGM (1984) version, but this will do nicely.

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#5 Post by pianist » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:14 pm

Dr Amicus wrote:And about time too! I seem to remember this was submitted to the BBFC over 10 years ago, so I'm not sure what happened then.

I've seen the first 20 mins or so - BBC4 showed it about about 12 years ago - and that was remarkable. This was the repeat performance if I remember correctly, it was broadcast live and the first screening (that caused quite a stir, to put it mildly) wasn't recorded, but the second was. Cushing later claimed he felt the second performance wasn't as strong, but from what I've seen it is still really quite something.
I have been told that the Cushing wasn't released because of right issues pertaining to the 1984 version (of 1984!) with John Hurt. Not sure how that version would affect the Cushing one, but it's just something I heard. I also heard that Orwell's estate wasn't enamoured with the version so it was blocked.

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#6 Post by beamish13 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:17 pm

Lowry_Sam wrote:Was hoping for a Criterion twofer combining this with the long out-of-print (R1) MGM (1984) version, but this will do nicely.
and with the correct color scheme and soundtrack!

A tangent, but Michael Radford's 1983 film ANOTHER TIME, ANOTHER PLACE would be a great Criterion, too. It's super rare, even in R2.

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#7 Post by GaryC » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:25 pm

pianist wrote:
Dr Amicus wrote:And about time too! I seem to remember this was submitted to the BBFC over 10 years ago, so I'm not sure what happened then.

I've seen the first 20 mins or so - BBC4 showed it about about 12 years ago - and that was remarkable. This was the repeat performance if I remember correctly, it was broadcast live and the first screening (that caused quite a stir, to put it mildly) wasn't recorded, but the second was. Cushing later claimed he felt the second performance wasn't as strong, but from what I've seen it is still really quite something.
I have been told that the Cushing wasn't released because of right issues pertaining to the 1984 version (of 1984!) with John Hurt. Not sure how that version would affect the Cushing one, but it's just something I heard. I also heard that Orwell's estate wasn't enamoured with the version so it was blocked.
The story I heard was that the Orwell estate blocked the release, so as not to conflict with the DVD release of the 1984 version.

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#8 Post by antnield » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:49 am

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#9 Post by GaryC » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:52 am

And that certificate's wrong, too - the BBFC passed this 12 ten years ago.

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#10 Post by EddieLarkin » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:23 am

Any ideas as to what is going on with this release? It was delayed until March 23rd (at least according to Amazon) but now it has no official release date. Is the Orwell estate interfering I wonder?

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#11 Post by Lowry_Sam » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:04 pm

EddieLarkin wrote:Any ideas as to what is going on with this release? It was delayed until March 23rd (at least according to Amazon) but now it has no official release date. Is the Orwell estate interfering I wonder?
I thought I saw this as already for sale on Amazon, but I guess not. If you read the comments in the reviews, there's an ongoing exchange that suggests that the Orwell estate has once again (first time was in 2004), reneged on the rights after the restoration but before any discs were pressed so that people aren't confused by the multiple productions of the book, so some speculated that possibly another version (another remake?) was being released. One commenter noted that the estate's copyright expires in 2021, so maybe we'll have to wait 6 years, but I was able to still find a preorder page on the BFI website.

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#12 Post by didi-5 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:38 pm

If that is the case (again) it is absolutely ridiculous, and shame on the estate for doing this. How on earth would people get 'confused' if there are different versions available?

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#13 Post by Orlac » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:30 pm

Mind you, some BFI stuff gets delayed for extras (i.e. Eyes without a Face), and their proposed Stromboli and Planeta Bur releases just seemed to vanish.

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#14 Post by GaryC » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:24 am

didi-5 wrote:If that is the case (again) it is absolutely ridiculous, and shame on the estate for doing this. How on earth would people get 'confused' if there are different versions available?
I have no confirmation that that is the case, but this was one of my theories for the delay. The other one was that, since the 1965 BBC production (from a revised version of Nigel Kneale's script) was found in the Library of Congress a couple of years ago, then the BFI may be looking to include that as well, but I stress that's total speculation on my part.

I saw the 1965 version at the BFI towards the end of last year, and the director Christopher Morahan was in attendance. The print found is missing a chunk of about 3 minutes or so about two thirds of the way in. I still haven't seen the 1954 version.

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