Derek Jarman Volumes 1-2: 1976-1994

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Derek Jarman Volume 1: 1976-1986

#26 Post by MichaelB » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:53 am

They haven't said, so you'll need to ask them.

But, based on precedent (Dreyer, Rossellini, Clarke), I suspect the vast majority of the box set contents will remain exclusive to the boxes, at least in high definition. Rossellini got separate DVD editions, and Clarke was split up into two DVD boxes, but the only separate Clarke BDs were Penda's Fen, Contact and The Firm/Elephant.

UPDATE: Jubilee will definitely get a standalone release, and Sebastiane and Caravaggio might. But these probably not be the same discs as the equivalents in the box set, and titles like In the Shadow of the Sun and lot of the extras will remain exclusive to it.

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#27 Post by colinr0380 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:44 pm

I suspect that this may bode well for an updated Criterion edition of Jubilee at some point too.

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#28 Post by tenia » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:26 am

Very small delay for the set : Amazon now says it will be released on April 2nd.

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#30 Post by What A Disgrace » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:07 am

I have my copy, and I suppose the lack of discussion here indicates that those who also have their copies are waiting for the second volume before really digging in, because that is what I am planning to do. ...and so organized is my movie watching schedule over the next several months that I won't be able to even watch volume 1 until September.

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#31 Post by criterionsnob » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:11 pm

I have my copy, but so far have only watched Caravaggio, which is gorgeous. This could be be the set of the year for me.

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#32 Post by zedz » Tue May 15, 2018 9:27 pm

I've worked my way through the extras of this set, and it's a terrific package. Lots of talking heads, but there's so many great, vivid anecdotes that I realize I'd happily watch five full discs of Derek Jarman's friends and colleagues talking about him. Hell, I'd happily watch five full discs of Lee Drysdale talking about anything. At one point John Scarlett-Davis describes Drysdale as the only person he'd ever met who could out-talk Jarman, and I believe he's also the only person in the world who ever referred to Jarman as "Del" and the only person in the last couple of years who's spoken at length about what a prick David Bowie was!

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#33 Post by manicsounds » Sun May 20, 2018 10:20 am

Most likely a headache with music rights issues such as "Jazz Calendar" the 1968 short not having the original music track, it's unfortunate that none of the Jarman directed music videos could be included.

While watching "In the Shadow of the Sun" and "The Angelic Conversation" I thought "This really reminds me of The Smiths' "There is a Light That Never Goes Out" music video" and guess who directed that? Jarman. Looking at his filmography he made quite a lot of music videos in the 80s from prominent indie artists.

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#34 Post by MichaelB » Sun May 20, 2018 10:30 am

My BFI contact has confirmed that music rights clearances are indeed eye-watering.

I’m frankly amazed that I managed to get Jan Švankmajer’s Another Kind of Love video cleared for the Švankmajer box - and it ended up as the single most expensive item in that set per second by a pretty whopping margin. (My argument to the then head of BFI Content was “how much is the word ‘Complete’ on the box worth?”, which actually worked.)

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#35 Post by colinr0380 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:26 am


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#36 Post by JSC » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:26 am

Finished making my way through this set and it's marvelous!
Thing is...has anyone heard any rumblings from the BFI about
vol.2 and its contents? I'm on the fence as to whether I should
get Film Movement's Edward II or just wait to see if it'll
be released in the second set.

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#37 Post by criterionsnob » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:22 am

I swear I saw a tweet reply somewhere from BFI saying Vol. 2 would be out this fall (maybe even September), but now I can’t find it.

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#38 Post by fdm » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:02 pm

Volume 2 (1987-1993) is supposed to have

The Last Of England
War Requiem
The Garden
Edward II
Wittgenstein
Blue

No specific release date at the time I took note of that a while back, but Fall sounds right.

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#39 Post by zedz » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:34 pm

I really hope they find room for Glitterbug, even if they class it as an extra.

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#40 Post by Dr Amicus » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:55 pm

I would hope they could squeeze in Isaac Julien's documentary, the standalone release of which seems long OOP.

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#41 Post by MichaelB » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:43 pm

JARMAN VOLUME TWO 1986-1994. While the extensive content of this Blu-ray-only box set is not quite finalised yet, it will feature UK High Definition premiers of The Last of England, War Requiem, Wittgenstein, The Garden and Blue. As with Volume One, it will be packed with rare archive materials.
Currently slated for 25 February 2019 - and on 18 March, Sebastiane will get a standalone Blu-ray release.

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#42 Post by fdm » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:05 pm

No Edward II ?

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#43 Post by What A Disgrace » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:41 pm

fdm wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:05 pm
No Edward II ?
This alarms me if true.

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#44 Post by Big Ben » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:09 pm

I don't think it's a mistake as the BFI site mentions five films and lists them. I can only fathom that maybe it's a rights issue? I cannot think that Jarman, as wonderful as he is has many people fighting over the rights to his works. There's no more fitting institution to release his materials than the British Film Institute.

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#45 Post by MichaelB » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:41 pm

I'm frankly amazed that the BFI were able to amass as many features as they did. Complete surveys are infinitely easier with filmmakers like Ingmar Bergman, Eric Rohmer or Aki Kaurismäki who tended to work exclusively for the same company - although it's worth noting that the Kaurismäki box omits I Hired a Contract Killer and the Bergman box is also missing the occasional feature here and there.

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#46 Post by What A Disgrace » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:16 pm

So if thr BFI is not releasing Edward II, will they be with another UK label, or should I go ahead and get the Film Movement edition?

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#47 Post by criterionsnob » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:17 pm

Any info on whether Glitterbug will be included as one of the extras? I'm trying to figure out if I should sell my old Glitterbox DVD.

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#48 Post by swo17 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:05 pm

Still hoping for Garden of Luxor so I can sell off my Kino Tempest

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#49 Post by MichaelB » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:46 am

Big Ben wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:09 pm
I cannot think that Jarman, as wonderful as he is has many people fighting over the rights to his works. There's no more fitting institution to release his materials than the British Film Institute.
You could make exactly the same argument about Walerian Borowczyk, but good luck putting together a box set of his post-1975 features!

It doesn't need multiple people "fighting over the rights to his works" - all it needs is one person (or company) to be sitting on them, often having licensed them out to someone else already. Sometimes concurrent sub-licensing deals can be pulled off, usually with a quid pro quo along the lines of it being a box-set exclusive, but more often than not these things just don't turn out to be contractually feasible, either because the rightsholder is unwilling to relinquish the title at all or because it's simply too expensive.

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#50 Post by tenia » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:59 am

And that's without taking into account all the various contractual issues. Warner HAS to give access to their RKO material to Lobster, since Lobster owns them. But Warner continuously refuses to do so. But it works both ways : Warner never contacts Lobster when they want to access some RKO materials. And when Lobster found better material than what Warner had, like for King Kong (which Lobster restored in 2017), Warner just doesn't care.
However, when Lobster wants to use a Warner restoration of a RKO movie, like Citizen Kane, Warner knows exactly that the contract stipulates the other party can licence it for half of what it cost. "No problem, it cost us $800K, so you can have a DCP for $400K !"

Lobster's theory is that Warner took out from the archives some material before the sale, and never put them back.

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