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#51 Post by David Ehrenstein » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:03 pm

If you can find a copy (it's long out of print), my book Film: The Front Line -- 1984 (Arden Press) has a chapter devoted to Garrel.

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#52 Post by Cold Bishop » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:06 pm

I do believe it's available through my library, so I may just do that.

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#53 Post by David Ehrenstein » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:23 pm

but whats the film "about"?
About 90 minutes. Clementi is Christ. Sort of. I'm not sure who ZouZou and the others are supposed to be.

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#54 Post by Cold Bishop » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:29 pm

David Ehrenstein wrote:
but whats the film "about"?
About 90 minutes. Clementi is Christ. Sort of. I'm not sure who ZouZou and the others are supposed to be.
Clementi as Christ? It's as if Garrel has plagiarized my dreams... say no more.

I also think I can get my hands on a vhs of La Cicatrice intérieure and Le Revelateur through my library. I'm guessing these are also a recommendation from you. But where to find a vcr these days?

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#55 Post by David Ehrenstein » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:49 pm

Here is where you can find obscure Garrel and obscure everything else.

Yes, you too can be cooler than Wes Anderson!

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#56 Post by Steven H » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:53 pm

Cold Bishop wrote:
David Ehrenstein wrote:Oh Le Lit de la Vierge is excellent. it was the fist Garrel I saw. Pierre Clementi, Zouzou, and Tina Aumont with songs by Nico.
but whats the film "about"?
Its loosely based on the life of Christ, but with all manner of odd twists and strange moments with stark black and white photography. David probably knows better than I do, but I'm thinking it was inspired by Pasolini's Gospel According to St. Matthew and Bunuel, though there are moments that remind me of Rivette, particularly Paris Belongs To Us, and especially Dreyer (minimalist sets similar to Joan, plus the scary religious aspect). I understand it was supposed to have been done under the influence of a lot of drugs, and the soundtrack is pretty intense, though not as much as The Inner Scar, I understand, but I would like to see that (I'm a fan of Desertshore.)

Oh, and Le Lit de la Vierge has one of the best opening shots of the 60s, hands down, which is ably presented on the DVD.

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#57 Post by David Ehrenstein » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:59 pm

Pasolini? More for Clementi's performance in Porcile than anything else.

I find it closer to Robert Wilson's theater than anything in cinema.

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#58 Post by Cold Bishop » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:36 pm

David Ehrenstein wrote:Here is where you can find obscure Garrel and obscure everything else.

Yes, you too can be cooler than Wes Anderson!
Are you sure? I don't see anything other than the pop compilation.

EDIT: And looking at cached web pages on Google, it appears he's removed them.
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#59 Post by jesus the mexican boi » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:40 pm

Trailer for La Cicatrice Interieure from the OOP Japanese DVD on YouTube. Looks like El Topo meets Nico.

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#60 Post by David Ehrenstein » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:45 pm

Not like El Topo at all. It's very, VERY special.

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#61 Post by jesus the mexican boi » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:57 pm

David Ehrenstein wrote:Not like El Topo at all. It's very, VERY special.
This struck me as superficially similar.

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Desertshore remains one of my favorite albums. I'd never seen these clips before, so it was like the album cover come alive.

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#62 Post by David Ehrenstein » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:13 am

The little boy leading the horse is Ari -- her son by Alain Delon.

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#63 Post by Macintosh » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:14 am

David, can you confirm or deny the rumor that Le Revelateur was made while the entire cast and crew was trippin on LSD? Also hard to believe that Garell was only 20 when he made that.

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#64 Post by David Ehrenstein » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:08 am

Macintosh wrote:David, can you confirm or deny the rumor that Le Revelateur was made while the entire cast and crew was trippin on LSD? Also hard to believe that Garell was only 20 when he made that.
I'm sure they were on something. And yes he was 20.

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#65 Post by jesus the mexican boi » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:19 pm

David Ehrenstein wrote:The little boy leading the horse is Ari -- her son by Alain Delon.
David, I just read your FILM: 1984 book and was especially interested in the section on Garrel. La Cicatrice Interieure has been restored, hasn't it? Do you know who has the rights and if there's any chance of this seeing a DVD release? Interesting that you bring up Bunuel's La Voie Lactee made the same year and its Christian iconography, since Pierre Clementi was in both -- and appeared as the Devil in the Bunuel film.

I also appreciated your descriptions of the Jean Seberg film. Very evocative.

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#66 Post by David Ehrenstein » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:00 pm

jesus the mexican boi wrote:David, I just read your FILM: 1984 book and was especially interested in the section on Garrel. La Cicatrice Interieure has been restored, hasn't it? Do you know who has the rights and if there's any chance of this seeing a DVD release? Interesting that you bring up Bunuel's La Voie Lactee made the same year and its Christian iconography, since Pierre Clementi was in both -- and appeared as the Devil in the Bunuel film.
Merci Beaucoup! I saw the restored print last year here in L.A. at a UCLA screening. A laser disc of the film was produced in Japan back in the laserdisc era and a friend made me a DVD copy, but none exists for the U.S. market -- a circumstance I hope someone will try to rectify, hint, hint ! (hello Criterion!)

Clementi is very much an actor-auteur, especially in the 60's working for such presumably different directors as Visconti (The Leopard), Bertolucci (Partner), Pasolini (Porcile), Bunuel (Belle de Jour, La Voie Lactee), Glauber Rocha (Severed Heads) and Garrel.

He played Christ in Le Lit de la Vierge, by the way. In La Cicatrice Interieure he's closer to Siegfried.

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#67 Post by david hare » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:49 am

David Ehrenstein wrote: I saw the restored print last year here in L.A. at a UCLA screening. A laser disc of the film was produced in Japan back in the laserdisc era and a friend made me a DVD copy, but none exists for the U.S. market -- a circumstance I hope someone will try to rectify, hint, hint ! (hello Criterion!)

Clementi is very much an actor-auteur, especially in the 60's working for such presumably different directors as Visconti (The Leopard), Bertolucci (Partner), Pasolini (Porcile), Bunuel (Belle de Jour, La Voie Lactee), Glauber Rocha (Severed Heads) and Garrel
Very briefly of course Cicatrice is available on a very serviceable Japanese DVD (for molto dineros) - better than the old LD. It has a shitty quality soundtrack BTW.

David didn't Clementi come to a very sad end? Like Mark Frechette? (well kinda.)

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#68 Post by David Ehrenstein » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:59 am

davidhare wrote:David didn't Clementi come to a very sad end? Like Mark Frechette? (well kinda.)
Well he died of AIDS -- which is an invariably sad end.

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#69 Post by jesus the mexican boi » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:21 am

David Ehrenstein wrote:Well he died of AIDS -- which is an invariably sad end.
Did he? Everything I saw mentioned complications of liver cancer. Not to say he didn't have it.

Au revoir, space monkey.

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#70 Post by David Ehrenstein » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:08 pm

jesus the mexican boi wrote:
David Ehrenstein wrote:Well he died of AIDS -- which is an invariably sad end.
Did he? Everything I saw mentioned complications of liver cancer. Not to say he didn't have it.

Au revoir, space monkey.
James Toback, who directed him in Exposed, told me about this just last week.

One must read obits with care, and more than a grain of salt -- just like at the beginning of the epidemic.

People are still dying of AIDS. Just more slowly.

Beware "heart failure" (not a cause of death ever -- just an indication that you're dead) and "liver cancer."

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#71 Post by david hare » Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:04 pm

Or, of course "pneumonia".

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#72 Post by David Ehrenstein » Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:43 pm

Pneumonia was in the early years of the epidemic, prior to this discovery that it was a specific strand of pneumonia. That's fairly under control these days.

Or at least until the next generation of the HIV-infected goes into full bloom.

Hibiscus was an early casualty.

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L'Enfant secret (Garrel, 1979)

#73 Post by thirtyframesasecond » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:36 am

L'Enfant secret

Directed by Philippe Garrel and winner of the Prix Jean Vigo in 1982.

The boyfriend of my friend's sister was in this film - his name is Xuan Lindenmeyer. She would like to source a copy. However the IMDB record suggests no DVD details, and a quick look on the net suggests the same. Would anyone have any ideas of the best way to search for copies of this film? Also, has anyone actually seen the film and has thoughts upon it?

Cheers

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L'Enfant secret

#74 Post by Oedipax » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:48 am

30fps, I don't know of any official DVD version of L'Enfant secret circulating, nor have I seen this particular Garrel film, but he's a filmmaker that I hold in the highest esteem based on the films I've been lucky enough to see. There is a copy circulating online with Japanese subtitles, I'm not sure if it's from a VHS or laserdisc or what.

There's also this scene on YouTube - wonderful clip...

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L'Enfant secret

#75 Post by fred » Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:17 pm

The copy of L'Enfant secret with Japanese subs is undoubtedly from the (now out of print?) dvd Uplink released in Japan. It's an incredible film. One of Garrel's greatest.

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