Jacques Rivette

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fred · #101 Post by **fred** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:56 pm

Barmy wrote:Imdb and the MoMI program have 145 minutes.

And as we've seen, MoMI are somewhat less than fastidious when it comes to the details.

Michael Kerpan · #102 Post by **Michael Kerpan** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:02 pm

Helene Frappat's "Jacques Rivette, secret compris" lists the time as 130 minutes.

The Viennale's "Das Kino des Jacques Rivette" says 142 minutes.

I'm guessing that 129-130 minutes is likely the proper running time.

MEK

Barmy · #103 Post by **Barmy** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:15 pm

And as we've seen, MoMI are somewhat less than fastidious when it comes to the details.

Will you NEVER forgive them for that 99 minute "Joan" discrepancy?

fred · #104 Post by **fred** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:32 am

Actually, no. I don't think I should either. In nearly ten years of film-viewing in New York, I've never seen this sort of amateur-hour fuck up from any other venue. The fact that I asked them an explicit question about this which they completely ignored only makes it worse. But it's also only one of several things they've done with this series which have either seriously pissed me off or just plain annoyed me, so I'm not in a very forgiving mood.

Not that they give a damn what I think.

cinemartin · #105 Post by **cinemartin** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:35 am

Yo Fred, you have every right to be mad. This wasn't a screening of "Boiler Room". I would expect anyone who missed this to be crushed.

fred · #106 Post by **fred** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:45 am

Thanks cinemartin.

Worse still, having seen both cuts previously, I talked no fewer than three people out of seeing the cut that they announced they were showing. But it also caused my girlfriend to miss La Belle noiseuse, which she's never seen, because of the scheduling mixup when they discovered which version they were showing on the day of the screening. Not to mention the aggravation of having to go all the way out to Astoria to find this out.

cinemartin · #107 Post by **cinemartin** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:50 am

You must be public enemy #1 amongst friends.

fred · #108 Post by **fred** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:57 am

Luckily most of my friends are pretty reasonable people. But I still feel like a heel, even though I think the blame lies squarely at the feet of the institution.

cinemartin · #109 Post by **cinemartin** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:02 am

I agree, although I'll be back for next weekend as they are all films I've never seen.

tavernier · #110 Post by **tavernier** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:03 am

fred wrote:Worse still, having seen both cuts previously, I talked no fewer than three people out of seeing the cut that they announced they were showing. But it also caused my girlfriend to miss La Belle noiseuse, which she's never seen, because of the scheduling mixup when they discovered which version they were showing on the day of the screening. Not to mention the aggravation of having to go all the way out to Astoria to find this out.

Yeah, who knows what version of OUT 1 we'll get! (They've promised both versions, but maybe we'll get some crazy, mixed-up hybrid!)

Actually, there's a press screening of OUT 1 Nov. 29 and 30. Here's the schedule with breaks:

Day one:
Part 1 - 86 mins. (1:05-2:31 PM)
Part 2 - 105 mins. (2:45-4:30 PM)
Part 3 - 103 mins. (5:00-6:43 PM)
Part 4 - 102 mins. (6:55-8:37 PM)

Day two:
Part 5 - 85 mins. (1:05-2:30 PM)
Part 6 - 98 mins. (2:40-4:18 PM)
Part 7 - 70 mins. (4:50-6:00 PM)
Part 8 - 94 mins. (6:10-7:44 PM)

So I guess they actually have the full print!

=P~

#111 Post by **domino harvey** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:35 am

they need to give advance notice about screenings of the full Out 1 like three months in advance so I can plan a trip around it

Numéro 2 · #112 Post by **Numéro 2** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:23 am

Regarding Noroit. I just checked my old French rental cassette of the film and it runs exactly 129 minutes. The same as the dvd.

Barmy · #113 Post by **Barmy** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:56 pm

Imdb--wrong again.

Anyway, that is good news on Noroit. The DVD looks good so if you can deal with the absence of subtitles, get it. You should be able to buy it for 15 euros or so, plus postage.

The people who missed Noiseuse on Sunday have a right to be pissed, and MoMI (god I hate that acronym) should schedule it another time, although I recognize that some of this series is travelling to other places.

Tommaso · #114 Post by **Tommaso** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:46 am

Have also checked my tape of the German TV broadcast. 129 min. So everything's perfect. Curiously, I remembered the film to be longer... not a good sign normally, but the film is undeniably great. Must get the dvd then. It seems only fnac carries it at the moment.

Artois · #115 Post by **Artois** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:16 pm

In the NFT programme booklet for the retrospective in April the time listed for Noroit is 145 mins

tavernier · #116 Post by **tavernier** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:21 pm

Artois wrote:In the NFT programme booklet for the retrospective in April the time listed for Noroit is 145 mins

The plot thickens....

Barmy · #117 Post by **Barmy** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:27 pm

From the Anthology Film Archives schedule this summer:

RARE RIVETTE!
Jacques Rivette
NOROÃƒÅ½T
1976, 137 minutes, 35mm. In French with English subtitles.
The fourth in the series, but the second to be completed. Stylistically indebted to Fritz Lang's MOONFLEET, and set on a treacherous, kaleidoscopic island, NOROÃƒÅ½T is a tale of piracy culminating in a confrontation between a vengeful moon ghost (Geraldine Chaplin) and the daughter of the Sun (Bernadette Lafont). Rivette's island is a "totally closed universe" where characters are stripped to abstractions, defined only by incantation, ritual and fantasy. When the film premiered, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote: "NOROÃƒÅ½T contains the most beautiful images and sounds of any Rivette film."

Tommaso · #118 Post by **Tommaso** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:44 pm

tavernier wrote:The plot thickens....

Indeed. I remember vaguely that the film was shelved initially and then was apparently released in a truncated form and in a different title on VHS in the 80s in France. I once saw that VHS on ebay and if I remember correctly, the playing time was 90 min. or so.

Anyway, this site lists it at 120 min. only. Obviously a fan site, but he seemed to have got the timings right for all the other films...

fred · #119 Post by **fred** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:13 am

Barmy wrote:From the Anthology Film Archives schedule this summer:

RARE RIVETTE!
Jacques Rivette
NOROÃƒÅ½T
1976, 137 minutes, 35mm. In French with English subtitles.

I think that once you account for rounding and PAL speedup in the transfer you'll find that this is pretty likely to be the same as the dvd.

tavernier · #120 Post by **tavernier** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:34 pm

Tommaso wrote:
tavernier wrote:The plot thickens....
Indeed. I remember vaguely that the film was shelved initially and then was apparently released in a truncated form and in a different title on VHS in the 80s in France. I once saw that VHS on ebay and if I remember correctly, the playing time was 90 min. or so.

Anyway, this site lists it at 120 min. only. Obviously a fan site, but he seemed to have got the timings right for all the other films...

Just saw Le Pont du Nord at MMI (can't bring myself to add that "o"), and here's the conundrum:

MMI program: 131 mins.
imdb: 129 mins.
the above fansite: 127 mins.

Actual length of film at MMI screening: 120 mins.

fred · #121 Post by **fred** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:15 am

I think the real issue with Le Pont du Nord is that they didn't get the beautiful 35mm print that showed recently at Lincoln Center. I suspect that the running time discrepancy is once again one of misinformation. I've never heard of variant cuts of this film. Nor did I notice anything missing.

Nevertheless, the comedy of errors continued today, as L'Amour par terre, which was listed as a 16mm print was clearly a 35mm print. Which is a good thing, but it would be nice if they could get correct information out there somewhere.

Much less happy was the fact that this film and Hurlevent were both presented in incorrect aspect ratios. This was screamingly obvious from the title cards, let alone the opening shots of both films which were very clearly framed incorrectly. The projectionist claimed that L'Amour par terre at least was printed that way, i.e., matted to 1.85, which might make sense if it were a print made for American release (which apparently happens, but is still absurd and ridiculous), but the notes claim that the print was imported. I think the likelyhood that Hurlevent was printed that way is vanishingly small, given its (non-) release history. The prints were otherwise relatively good, if worn, which just made the bad framing that much more painful.

Tommaso · #122 Post by **Tommaso** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:21 am

The transfers of both "L'amour par terre" and "Hurlevent" on the French 8-Disc-Set are framed 16:9 there (1.78, that is), and these are transfers personally overseen by the respective cinematographers and probably Rivette himself. So they seem to have accepted a slightly matted framing (if indeed they were originally 1.66) in these cases.

tavernier · #123 Post by **tavernier** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:13 am

Tommaso wrote:The transfers of both "L'amour par terre" and "Hurlevent" on the French 8-Disc-Set are framed 16:9 there (1.78, that is), and these are transfers personally overseen by the respective cinematographers and probably Rivette himself. So they seem to have accepted a slightly matted framing (if indeed they were originally 1.66) in these cases.

The Image disc of "Hurlevent" is 1.78:1 (non-anamorphic, of course).

cinemartin · #124 Post by **cinemartin** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:27 am

What did you guys think of those soft-titles? I thought they looked ok, but I wonder how they'll hold up over Out 1.

tavernier · #125 Post by **tavernier** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:30 am

cinemartin wrote:What did you guys think of those soft-titles? I thought they looked ok, but I wonder how they'll hold up over Out 1.

OK, except that they were almost consistently at least one line behind while the characters were speaking.