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#176 Post by Lemmy Caution » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:39 pm

denti alligator wrote:
Lemmy Caution wrote:The Adventures of Prince Achmed didn't make the list?
As you can see from my post above, it ranked 105.
Thanks. I missed that post.
I love Prince Achmed, and it would have wound up much higher if I had completed a full-50 list. Alas and alack.

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#177 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:48 pm

Pudovkin: yeah no shit! END OF ST PETERSBERG always been in my top 10, was a virtual bible to Sokurov (EOSP is a stated "key" to RUSSIAN ARK) and Tarkovsky. One of the very few silents that I have the same reaction to today as the very first time I saw it. The purest visual poetry, far more interesting to me--far more human-- than Eisensteins work from the period. STORM OVER ASIA & MOTHER just a notch short, but so is 99% of all cinema. The energy built into his montages--as opposed to the purely intellectual montage of OCTOBER, for example-- are astoundingly kinetic.See the village lads attack on the "Boss" & his strikebreaking stooge upon discovery that he's been turned into a stooge himself. Chairs flying, glassbreaking, phones splatting... The hilarious retardo poses he puts his actors into before springing, while reacting, etc. Purest avant garde.

..and the battle scenes. My god.

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#178 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:05 pm

denti alligator wrote:The Holy Mountain (Fanck, 1926) Damn! I completely forgot about this one. Well, I guess it's good I didn't waste a vote on it since no one else voted for it. It would have made my top 25 to be sure. C'mon, that dance-by-the-ocean prologue is jaw-dropping!
There's got to be someone else who looked at HOLY MOUNTAIN and laughed at Reifehnstals "dancing". Clearly a director blinded by infatuation with an actress! I love the photography in this film (some of the greatest outdoor photography bar none), the story is gooey but compelling... the bit of german blood I have in me gurgles up a lilttle getting all proud of itself... put is what Leni is doing real dancing?

Maybe its cuz I doinked a few dancers in my time & know the basics of what pushes an amateur over into proffesionalville..? very much about lines of extension & flexibility to achieve beauty & fluidity of motion. Mme. Leni cannot even lift her foot out in front of herself in those kicks or extensions she tries to hold (then maybe pirouette along w some shoveling, beckoning, pedaling move w her hands.. funny, almost a poodle imitation) and make a straight line with her leg. Thats one of the basic defining features of dancing-- leg all the way out, no tight hamstrings causing arching at the knee. It looks approximately like what my stubby hairy overweight oldest brother would accomplish flitting about if he tried to imitate a dancer. Her errors are the equivalent of massive voice cracking in a singing attempt. Few "dance" film-directors would have hired such a "dancer".

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#179 Post by yoshimori » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:05 pm

My orphans, poor babies:

6. Eisenstein, Staroye i novoye [Old and New aka the General Line] - Eisenstein had 3 of my top ten, numbers 1, 2, and 6; and though it's not fashionable to love him, since he's been SO loved, he may be - as Peter Greenaway once told me - the ONLY genius in the history of cinema.
9. Griffith, America - Haven't seen it in a while, but this quaint thing has always been my favorite Griffith (maybe because I haven't seen it in a while).

Not an orphan, but I supplied half its votes so I'll hawk it:

7. Tourneur, The Last of the Mohicans - Some amazing compositions.

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#180 Post by zedz » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:31 pm

denti alligator wrote:Can you tell us if and where these films can be found on DVD or home video.

Lonesome
Page of Madness
Unfortunately the majority of my list, including these two and all of the Swedes, is based on live cinema viewings over too many years. Lonesome was so good I booked to see the second (and last) performance the following day. And then it vanished into limbo again. It was an Alloy Orchestra performance, so presumably it's still part of their repertoire and there's a chance of catching it if you keep an eye on them.

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#181 Post by Astroman » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:59 pm

For those in the Seattle area, Lonesome is available for rent from Scarecrow Video. I'll return it as soon as I can (weekend at the latest).

I've been reading the Lists thread forever and enjoying it a lot, but I'm getting even more from this thread. I love hearing about films I'm not too familiar with, or not heard of at all. Thanks to all, especially zedz, for the contributions.

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#182 Post by bufordsharkley » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:01 pm

My two major orphans, both Keatons:

The Scarecrow (1920, # 5 on my list.): In my mind, Keaton's greatest short, and the purest example of slapstick ever made. The second segment, with the unbelievably break-neck chase concerning the man, his friend, the love interest, her father, the dog, and the titular scarecrow, is really all one ever has to know about comedy.

College (1927, #6 on my list.): I place it only behind The General among Keaton's features; I have yet to encounter anyone else who remotely likes it. I guess there's no accounting for taste.

It's a small movie, but lyrical, with an eerily affecting narrative flow. The last three seconds of the film are beside the point, but are among the most morbid, yet strangely beautiful moments ever put on film.

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#183 Post by denti alligator » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:26 pm

3. Mutter Krausens Fahrt ins Glueck (Jutzi, 1929)
One of the best socialist dramas of the 20s with fantastic performances.

4. L'inhumaine (L'Herbier, 1926)
French sci-fi that is still astounding. There's a scene with a kind of one-way television!

11. Moana (Flaherty, 1926)
Better than Nanook.

19. Chess Fever (Pudovkin & Shpikovsky, 1925)
Hilarious!

29. It (Badger & von Sternberg, 1927)
To understand the "it"-phenomenon. Smart and funny.

37. The Doll (Lubitsch, 1919)
My god, early Lubitsch is incredible. This one goes over the top in appropriating German Romantic motivis (the automaton) to contemporary gender issues.

42. The Avenging Conscience; Thou Shalt Not Kill (Griffith, 1914)
I don't much like Griffith, but this one (a re-telling of Poe's Tell-Tale Heart) is great. A fine horror flick.

45. The Black Pirate (Parker, 1926)
Fairbanks in color! And it's got pirates! Forget Johnny Depp.

46. Peter Pan (Brenon, 1924)
I find this telling of Peter Pan utterly charming and truly poignant.

EDIT: I added some brief comments. If you want to see my no. 3, pm me and we might be able to work something out... :-$
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#184 Post by denti alligator » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:54 pm

Since its voter isn't speaking up, I'll report that the only no. 1 that didn'tmake the final list was...

Dovzhenko's Zvenigora

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#185 Post by bufordsharkley » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:42 pm

I guess I'll be the first to defend my 1930s losers.

(A note first-- I was overjoyed/surprised to see After the Thin Man make it; I guess the #14 position I gave it helped. Van Dyke was a true master.)

10. Animal Crackers (Heerman, 1930)
Sure, it may be less overtly cinematic than later Marx Brothers pictures. But hell if any of the later ones approached the level of absurdity here. It's a masterpiece of nonsensical dialogue, whole arguments about imaginary houses, ridiculous skeletons in one's closets. I don't even think it's that stagey-- the visual component isn't its major asset, but it's more than adequate.

13. Drole de Drame (Carne, 1937)
This may be the most ridiculous feature by anyone not named Preston Sturges; seriously, this is as absurd as they come. It's full of wondrous, dreamy, and imaginative moments, and may have Michel Simon's best acting performance ever. The main character has the same (relatively rare) last name as I do, which is a nice side-benefit. (For me, at least.)

23. Axe Me Another (Fleischer, 1934)
Some Popeye cartoons approached the level of ballet-- this one, (wherein Popeye faces the Bluto-cum lumberjacket character, Pierre,) is the greatest. The physics are perfect, (especially in the river sequences,) and the standard Popeye narrative has more of an a emotional pull than usual.

26. Swing Time (Stevens, 1936)
I have no idea how Top Hat made it, and this didn't. For one thing, this has better songs and an infinitely more compelling narrative. For another thing, Stevens directs it admirably. For a third thing, it has much more of a sense of balance and wit. For a last thing, it doesn't have as much Art Deco setware as Top Hat, which frankly annoyed me. The lighting alone in the "Never Dance Again" sequence is beautiful.

27. Peace on Earth (1939) (MGM animated short)
Later remade in 1955 as Good Will to Men. It's hard to say why I find this one to be perfect, and the remake to be nearly worthless. Maybe it's that the latter's nuclear holocaust lacks the poeticism of the original, wherein humanity ends with face-to-face fighting by the last two people on earth, distorted to the point of being monsters. Perhaps it's the way that the rodents in the latter short are irritating, with their overt cuteness and Christian moralizing. The squirrels here are almost sinister.


31. The Black Cat (1934)
It's beautiful because of lighting and timing, both of which are nearly impossible to describe in words.

33. Tomatos Another Day (Watson, 1930/1933)
One would be forgiven for mistaking this for the work of David Lynch-- amazing, considering it was made almost five decades previous. In the seven-minute short, a parody of sound in film, the characters flatly narrate everything that occurs, even though it could be understood all too well with the sound off. It quickly devolves into bizarre puns and absurd violence-- it may be one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen. (See it in the DVD set "Unseen Cinema.")

35. Let it Be Me (Freleng, 1936) (WB animated short)
Friz Freleng had his flaws, which became more apparent as the decades went on. However, he had a knack for music, and could make a simple narrative extremely compelling, emotionally. This may be Freleng's masterpiece. Emily the Hen is pulled away from her paramour by the cad, Bingo. It's told almost entirely through several musical sequences.

36. The Fatal Glass of Beer (Bruckman, 1933)
Not a whole lot to be said-- as original and funny as Fields's other great achievements.

37. Horse Feathers (McCleod, 1932)
The way "Everyone Says I Love You" holds this together is one of the finest things from any of the Marx Brothers pictures.

38. Hello How Am I (Fleischer, 1939)
The Popeye cartoon where Wimpy wears a Popeye mask, to get free burgers from Olive. I'd like to claim that I chose this because of the way it evokes existential dread, that it's a horror-inducing contemplation on identity-- but really, it's just unbelievably entertaining.

41. Flesh (Ford, 1932)
The only real-life Wallace Beery wrestling picture. And contrary to what Barton Fink would lead you to believe, it's a stunningly original work. John Ford directs captures the excitment of the action, as well as the complex tones of the melodrama-- one of Ford's very best early movies.

45. Tiger Shark (Hawks, 1932)
Mostly for the visual element-- the color gray never looked better. A simple story, told extremely well, with dark and original compositions.

46. The Merry Widow (Lubitsch, 1934)
Nearly the same film as Love Me Tonight, and though not as great, it's only by a small margin.

50. The Petrified Forest (Mayo, 1936)
It's a perverse movie, really. The shots of the desert are as arid and lonely as any ever filmed, and Leslie Howard's foppish intellectual is one of the utterly strangest characters ever to intersect with gangster cinema. It's affecting in its spareness, and the unpredictibility of the situation. The drama feels eerily un-constructed.

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...And while not true defenses, I'll go out of my way to whine a bit at the relatively low spots for #2 and #3 on my list, Scarface and Le Million. The former's placement below The Public Enemy, a turgid mess with two fine sequences, is mind-boggling ,while the latter's near-exclusion is extremely troubling. I don't think I can think of five films more charming than Le Million.
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#186 Post by Michael » Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:00 pm

26. Swing Time (Stevens, 1936)
I have no idea how Top Hat made it, and this didn't. For one thing, this has better songs are an infinitely more compelling narrative. For another thing, Stevens directs it admirably. For a third thing, it has much more of a sense of balance and wit. For a last thing, it doesn't have as much Art Deco setware as Top Hat, which frankly annoyed me. The lighting alone in the "Never Dance Again" sequence is beautiful.
Top Hat made it because it's the best musical.. period. I could watch this film every day without ever getting tired. I first saw this film when I was in my early 20s and I was thoroughly hypnotized by it. When the DVD came out recently, I showed it to my partner who is in his 20s. He hates musicals but he was hypnotized by the film as much as I was the first time I saw it. It's a very gorgeous, classy, and amazingly hilarious film - always bubbly with luminous romance and so much joy that will make you cry.

I voted it as #1.

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#187 Post by scotty » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:38 pm

My misses:
Dishonored (Sternberg, 1931) The first Sternberg-Dietrich collaboration I ever saw, and it was on the big screen. Amazing, opulent design and, in her final scene, Dietrich reaches the pinnacle of screen insouciance.

42nd Street (Bacon, 1932) I was surprised that this one didn't make it. Again, I saw it on the big screen and I suppose those always loom larger in my memory. I can see how a video screening might not cut it. Brassy Depression-era stuff and wonderful work from Busby Berkeley, plus catchy tunes.

The Plow That Broke The Plains (Lorentz, 1936) The reputation of this and The River may have receded with the years, but there is some remarkable imagery here and terrific music by Virgil Thomson.

Jack's Dream (Cornell, ca. 1938). This is one of my favorite short films. I'm surprised that Rose Hobart scored so much lower this time, but pleased that at least one other voter dug the dog's dream. One of the things I love about Cornell is his use of found footage. In an age where everyone is hyperactive about copyrights for better or worse, he's refreshing.

The Petrified Forest (Mayo, 1936). The mattes are obvious, the set is fake, Bogart is barely believable, Howard is just plain strange, but somehow this one gets by on atmosphere anyway.

Intermezzo (Ratoff, 1939) Another weird Leslie Howard hopeless romance. Ingrid Bergman's introduction to America (in a remake) has more than a whiff of scandal about it and good leading performances.

Little Caesar (LeRoy, 1930) Patchy, yes, but I just love Edward G. Robinson. The shock of his own death that registers in his last scene is worth the whole trip. More privately, it also sets up one of my favorite forties pictures, Key Largo, in which some of the same characterization is at play.

Holiday (Cukor, 1938) Sorry to see this one slip off the list this time. Though I admit it isn't Cary Grant's most convincing role, I like Hepburn's performance and Cukor keeps things moving nicely.

Spook Sport (Bute, et al, 1939) Really just a shout out to the Unseen Cinema collection, to animation, and to an important female director. I wonder whether the Fantasia people got a look at this before doing the "Night on Bald Mountain" sequence.

Zouzou (Allegret) There is a lot not to like about Josephine Baker's films, but there are also moments that could only be hers. This one has the added bonus of Jean Gabin.

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#188 Post by zedz » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:52 am

[brain dump]

Only two in my top twenty failed to make the final list, though several were way down, so here's a pocket defence of them all:

1. The Roaring Twenties (Walsh, 1939) – Poor Raoul Walsh is severely underappreciated around these parts. Only two of his films were even nominated (for the other one, see below). For my money, this is one of the greatest Hollywood films ever made, and certainly the greatest gangster movie (yes, even better than Le Samourai). It was very tough to decide between this and Rules - two films which give me so much pleasure every time I see them. Cagney's performance is sublime. He's one of the greatest of physical actors and expresses so much of his character through gesture or gait: just look at the way he springs up the stairs when he goes to visit Jean backstage. Walsh's direction of actors in this film is impeccable (just look at the character detail Gladys George and Frank McHugh bring to their roles), as is his staging and pacing. This is a sprawling epic without a wasted second, and just look at the amazing economy of those bravura, Vorkapichesque montages. If you haven't seen this in a while, take another look.

2. Rules of the Game (Renoir, 1939) – It's impossible to begrudge this flawless, astonishingly rich film its preeminence. It's clearly a consensus choice. Like L'Atalante, only one voter didn't include it. When I first saw it many years ago I was well primed, having read endlessly about its brilliance, but it still managed to surprise me (is Renoir really juggling that many different levels of meaning?), and, more importantly, it still surprises me every time I see it.

3. Bringing Up Baby (Hawks, 1938) – Probably my favourite sound comedy. I know the next film on my list is a comedy as well (and a damn funny one), but this gets me laughing out loud like The General does. Grant and Hepburn's performances are also among their most technically demanding as well, and this film is a perfect showcase for their brilliance. Imagine how awful this film would be if the leads were belaboured. Despite its strong finish, this does not seem to be a consensus favourite. It was only about halfway through the voting that it started seriously climbing the heap.

4. I Was Born, But. . . (Ozu, 1932) – This incredible film is as fresh and lively today as it must have been when first released. Its observations of family and childhood dynamics are still spot on three quarters of a century later. Here's hoping it gets a decent subtitled release before we next get to vote for this decade.

5. Study No 7 (Hungarian Dance) (Fischinger, 1931) – It was touch and go, but this drop-dead masterpiece of visualised music (barely) made the cut. Six of Fischinger's little gobs of genius attracted votes, but this is the only one anyone could agree on.

6. Mor'Vran (Epstein, 1931) – This didn't even make the also-rans list. A mean, moody and magnificent maritime documentary that includes, like a seam of gold, a vestigial narrative. Epstein's a tragically overlooked filmmaker. Here's hoping his wonderful La Tempestaire – a somewhat less intense descendant of this film – is remembered come the 40s. At least that film is available!

7. Peter Ibbetson (Hathaway, 1935) – I was surprised that this ended up nowhere, since I discovered it as a consequence of several boosters on this forum. It's completely sui generis – though Cocteau would start making films like this the following decade – and one of the weirdest Hollywood films I know of. Weirdness isn't always enough, and this film also offers simply exquisite filmmaking – breathtaking integrated effects; stunning, emotionally charged mise en scene; sublime camera movements; and a highly developed thematic use of visual motifs.

8. The Only Son (Ozu, 1936) – As noted in the parent thread, after the first batch of votes came in this emotionally devastating film was the strong leader. And then the votes just dried up. I hope that's just because nobody else had seen it, because if you can sit through this film and not appreciate its greatness, you've got a cinematic tin ear.

9. Vampyr (Dreyer, 1932) – Now here's a film that's evidently not as difficult to see as I expected, only missing from a few lists.

10. L'Atalante (Vigo, 1934) – What's not to love about this film?

11. Las Hurdes (Bunuel, 1933) – Documentaries generally fared pretty miserably, so I wonder if this film and L'Age d'or (representing the similarly ignored genre of experimental film) did well primarily because Bunuel is an Approved Auteur who had no other films available to vote for in this decade.

12. Top Hat (Sandrich, 1935) – A big surprise to me that this classic ended up halfway down the list (and it only did that well because of an eleventh-hour reshuffle from an early submitter who had overlooked it entirely and made it a belated number 1). For me, this is Astaire-Rogers' finest hour. The numbers are great – but they're always great – but this time its in the context of that crazy vision of a Deco Venice and accompanied by a genuinely funny script.

13. Only Angels Have Wings (Hawks, 1939) – I rewatched this film in the process of working on this list and it's the film that leapt most in my estimation on revisiting it. In my memory, I retained only the generic plot elements and a general air of cool, but the joy of this film lies in everything else – the subtlety of the character interactions and performances, the sexual subtexts, and Hawks' terrific eye.

14. La Petite Lise (Gremillon, 1930) - Poor Gremillon! A week ago this was in the top 10, then no more votes came in. Again, the capriciousness of availability determines the canon. It's hard to believe that an audience that so highly prizes the cinematic alchemy of L'Atalante and Zero de Conduite would be immune to the charms of this film – were they able to partake of them.

15. Zero de Conduite (Vigo, 1933) – Another near-constant presence on people's lists. The two other Vigos were practically ignored, however.

16. The Lady Vanishes (Hitchcock, 1938) – Up until the ending, which I think really sucks (Redgrave arbitrarily forgetting the tune just when it doesn't matter anyway), this is by far my favourite British Hitchcock. It's like a classic album you can enjoy in the same way over and over again.

17. Blonde Venus (von Sternberg, 1932) – I expect I'm alone in having this as my favourite Dietrich / Sternberg. For some reason the piquant combination of that lush style and the supposedly ‘gritty' content is what does it for me – or maybe it's Marlene in a gorilla suit.

18. Toni (Renoir, 1935) – Unseen, but hotly anticipated for about 20 years, until MoC's recent release, this film surpassed my mile-high expectations. One of the great works of neorealism.

19. Trade Tattoo (Lye, 1937) – Len Lye was furiously recreating cinema from the inside out during the 30s. A Colour Box may be more visionary and innovative, but I've always loved the way he incorporates the photographic material into this psychedelic industrial tone poem.

20. A Story of Floating Weeds (Ozu, 1934) – Ozu's 30s work is an embarrassment of riches, and there's plenty I've never seen (I haven't seen any 30s Mizoguchi or Naruse, mind you, so I'm partly responsible for their poor showing on the final list). I placed this one highly because it showed yet another side of his mastery.


And the following films from my top fifty failed to chart:


21. An Optical Poem (Fischinger, 1937)

25. La Cartomancienne (Hill, 1932) – I'm surprised nobody else was impressed by this supremely lyrical short from the Unseen Cinema set. Sure the heavy symbolism of the slender narrative is intrusive, but this film is all about the seductive textures (those gorgeous dissolves on shimmering water), the power of the landscape and those momentary direct cinema intrusions.

26. Study No 8 (The Sorcerer's Apprentice) (Fischinger, 1931) – Yes, even more Fischinger. Believe me, it was all I could do to keep it to only three of these marvels. This is a rather pointed choice, because, in a few minutes, it completely shows up the sterile infantilism of Fantasia, the garish rock on which Fischinger's Hollywood career would ultimately be wrecked.

26. Thru the Mirror (Hand, 1936) – There probably should have been more Disney on my list, but I was amazed to see only Snow White nominated to represent this great body of animation. Walt was a bit of a shit and a shyster, but in the 1930s his minions were churning out some of the greatest animation ever conceived. I decided on this short to represent that work because of its phenomenal visual invention and beautiful execution. For a cartoon icon, Mickey Mouse is an odd, boring character, and the Disney studio seemed to realise this pretty quickly, as the majority of classic-era Mickey Mouse shorts are actually Mickey-Donald-Goofy ensembles (with the narrative and comic weight carried by the sidekicks) or Pluto solo vehicles. This Alice riff is a rare Mickey solo outing, and the animators have thrown everything they have into making the bizarre dream world he enters steal the mouse's feeble thunder.

27. Children's Party (Cornell, 1938) – Nice to see Rose Hobart make the cut, if only just. I was pretty sure few would share my affection for this wacky assemblage, but I just can't resist the primal power of that extraordinary clip of the child perfectly split between the urge to doze and the urge to devour, and that creepy coda with a pedophile's Godiva perpetuates the film's distinctive atmosphere of being on the verge of a dream.

35. Footlight Parade (Bacon, 1933) – Busby Berkeley had to be in here, but it seems like a lot of people had a similar dilemma as me, and the Busby vote was hopelessly split among several films. The problem, as I see it, is that Busby's spectacles are almost always poorly integrated into their parent film – they're flown in by helicopter and then we return to the iffy plot. The problem is so significant that it actually skews the structure of several of the films, not least this one. But that's what I like about it. Dames may have the most inimitable and abstract production numbers, but the surrounding film is one of the weakest in the series; Gold Diggers of 1935 may have the ultimate Berkeley number in Lullaby of Broadway, but the non-musical parts of the film are really clunky. Footlight Parade has perhaps the most off-kilter structure of any great musical: only four numbers, and three of them are piled up at the tail-end of the film (or even, in a sense, after the film proper has ended), but in that way it minimises the annoying Berkeley / Bacon bumps that would otherwise plague it. The film itself is one of the strongest of the sequence: tough, smart, with great turns from Cagney and Blondell. And at least one of the numbers, By a Waterfall, is among Berkeley's very best, and what a thrill it is, at the last moment, when Cagney starts to dance!

36. The Big Trail (Walsh, 1930) – This really didn't deserve to finish outside the top 100. In rewatching films for the purposes of compiling this list, I was surprised to see my highly rated Stagecoach appear too schematic for too much of its running time. It tumbled out of my top 50, leaving this much-maligned epic as the great western of the decade. Much of the mythology that's arisen around Stagecoach really needs to be reevaluated in the light of this film. John Wayne, if not quite fully formed in his first lead, is not that far from his Stagecoach persona. The plot is boilerplate and many of the performances indifferent, but Walsh shows his mastery of visual space throughout. Apart from the many superb landscapes, he's consistently deploying jaw-dropping compositions in depth. In an ordinary dialogue scene, which would normally be played out against the backdrop of a covered wagon, Walsh puts the wagon in there, but also shows us hundreds of extras, a mile in the distance, going on with their daily lives (loading up their wagons, chopping down trees, building cabins). In an industry when ‘casts of thousands' are generally used strictly for spectacle, it's almost revelatory to see a director organising his resources in such an undemonstrative, naturalistic way.

39. A Colour Box (Lye, 1935) – Another tough choice from a rich body of work. Whoever said a filmmaker needs a camera, anyway?

42. Shall We Dance (Sandrich, 1937) – Fred and Ginger are definitely not flavour of the month around these parts. Swingtime traditionally slots into second place behind Top Hat, but I have problems with the narrative in that film, so I went with Gershwin instead.

43. The Edge of the World (Powell, 1937) – No love for pre-Pressburger Michael Powell, either?

44. A Bronx Morning (Leyda, 1931) – In this film I love the lyrical effects and location photography. It gives a great sense of place.

45. From Saturday to Sunday (Machaty, 1931) – I thought people might go for the more notorious Ekstase in preference to this tough realist drama, but this ended up the sole Czech nomination.

46. We from Kronstadt (Dzigan, 1936) – An interesting study in changing critical fashions. For a long time, socialist realism was a central part of world cinema history, and everyone would be familiar with its iconic works (The Gorky Trilogy, The Maxim Trilogy, Chapayev). Other than single votes for the Vasilievs' film and a Romm, none of those films got a look-in. I saw most of the socialist realist ‘classics' years ago, and this is the one that has had the longest half-life in my memory, thanks to the stark staging of its brutal climactic scenes.

47. Night Mail (Watt / Wright, 1936) – Another representative of a ‘lost' movement – Grierson's documentaries. Time was, this kind of list would have been unthinkable without Night Mail or Song of Ceylon. This film is definitely dated, but still pretty seductive, and I couldn't let La Bete Humaine be the only train film on my list.

48. Lot in Sodom (Watson / Webber, 1937) – Drags a bit, but it's nevertheless a visionary early demonstration of the expressive potential of the optical printer, with many dazzlingly beautiful visual effects.

49. What Did the Lady Forget? (Ozu, 1937) – I think every 30s Ozu film I've seen would deserve a place on my list. I couldn't resist sneaking in one more.

50. Le Roman de Renard (Starewicz, 1930) – A masterpiece of pixillation. My Starewicz capital could have been better invested with Fetiche, it turns out, but je ne regrette rien.

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#189 Post by Steven H » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:30 am

all about failures...

3. Chilren in the Wind (Shimizu, 1937)

One of the best films about children, seemingly made by children in it's innocence of craft (not technically sloppy, but "sloppy".) Great child acting and one of the thirty's best actors, Sakamoto Takeshi.

Hiroshi Shimizu (who I also ranked 7th (Arigato-san, 1936), 11th (Forget Love for Now, 1937), 16th (Eclipse, 1936), 40th (Japanese Girls at the Harbor, 1933), and 50th (The Boss's Son Goes to College, 1933) made films on location, with actors and non-actors, primitively, with threadbare plots holding together cinematically interesting and distinct films. Mizoguchi once said, "People like me and Ozu get films made by hard work, but Shimizu is a genius..."

4. The Strange M. Victor (Gremillon, 1937)

Everyone see this! Spaak script, Gremillon's perfect direction, Raimu and Madeleine Renaud, I want to see it again just typing about it. I also voted for Gremillon's Pour un sou d'amour (28th, 1932).

12. Dragnet Girl (Ozu, 1933)

Of all the early thirties Ozus, this one gets so little attention (and it seems early thirties Ozu is getting more and more). German expressionist chiaroscuro, american gangster seediness, some light-hearted Lubitsch touches, and the rest so very "Ozu". I probably should have ranked it higher. Also missing from the final list, Passing Fancy (15th, 1933) and What Did the Lady Forget? (18th, 1937), both hilarious (especially the latter) pitch-perfect (especially the former) films.

17. Kochiyama Soshun (Yamanaka, 1936)

A kabuki send up, which, along with Yamanaka's brilliant Humanity and Paper Balloons and Tange Sazen and the pot Worth a Million Ryo (both of which thankfully ended up on the list, and were my two highest scorers) comprises the leftovers of Yamanaka's entire filmography. The film stars Hara Setsuko when she was in her late teens (beautiful, of course), and the same theatre troupe used in Yamanaka's other works (they should already be familiar faces!). The language barrier is the only obstacle for me.

20. The Neighbor's Wife and Mine (Gosho, 1932)

Silly, but immensely rewatchable. This was Japan's first major talkie, and is what Sosin should be studying for the proper 30s Ozu soundtrack. I also ranked Gosho's Woman in the Mist (27th, 1936), as it's somewhat disjointed plot, and melodramatic acting, still seems to be taking place on another world through fascinating use of editing and set design. Sakamoto Takeshi is worth the price of admission alone.

21. Every Night Dreams (Naruse, 1933)

It looks like at least a couple Naruses, this and Wife be like a Rose! (my 25th, 1936) barely missed out placing on the list. Even with a traveling retrospective, Naruse misses out (though there's a little bit of hell being given to the people who post here about him constantly). These two, and Street Without End (45th, 1934) have some of the best character development I'm aware of, as truly unforgettable people inhabit these films.

22. My Little Neighbor Miss Yae (Shimazu, 1934)

This and The Lights of Asakusa (24th, 1936) I only recently had the chance to see last year at the NYFF Shochiku retrospective, and they're fantastic. Quickly climbing my list, and Shimazu was supposedly an old hat that inspired Ozu, Yamanaka, and Naruse to their film heights. Though I believe the pupils surpassed him, his films still exhibit that lyricism which the best shomingeki films of this period can show.

48. Peter Ibbetson (Hathaway, 1935)

Cooper monotones his way into one of the most surreal and entrancing American films I've seen (especially of the decade). The beginning of the film reminded me of Renoir's The River and Laughton's Night of the Hunter. I loved Hathaway's noirs first, and this one took me completely by surprise.

49. Sylvia Scarlett (Cukor, 1935)

Hilarious! Cukor, Grant, and Hepburn were perfect together from the beginning.

Forgot to Vote for... The Mascot! How did I forget this?

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#190 Post by Brian Oblivious » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:35 am

As some of these have been eloquently defended by others already, I'll try focus my energies more strongly on the ones that haven't.

4. Man's Castle (Borzage)
Call me biased by a recent attempt at Borzage immersion thanks to a travelling retrospective, but I picked three of his films and strongly considered more. I was thrilled to see History is Made at Night make the final cut, but disheartened to see nobody else voting for my other favorites, especially this one. This Hooverville romance surprised me more when I saw it the second time than the first, which is always a good sign. Like the milieu it depicts, its filmmaking may not be seamless, but it's rather astonishing in its emotional resonance.

5. The Big Trail (Walsh)
Already well-covered by zedz, I just want to mention the widescreen photography and the relatively multifaceted portrayal of Indian tribes, both quite surprising for me to find in a film from 1930.

8. State Fair (King)
Henry King may well deserve his stodgy reputation for films made in the 40s and 50s (I haven't seen enough of them yet to say), but at least back in 1933 he quilted an incredibly lovely tribute to the reinvention of self that can occur in a dreamlike world like a fair- or a cinema. My current avatar comes from the poster.

12. Wife! Be Like a Rose! (Naruse)
Japan may have taken to making talkies quite late in the game, but it seemingly only gave a director like Naruse extra time to consider what kind of inventiveness he might bring to sound cinema once he tackled it. Use of music and sound doesn't get much better than in this irresistibly charming comedy from 1935.

15. The Smiling Lieutenant (Lubitsch)
Other than Trouble in Paradise which held steady, Lubitsch suffered in this edition of the list. I'm sad to see this, perhaps the apogee of his operetta films, drop out of the top 100. Chevalier, Colbert, Hopkins- what more can a body ask for?

18. Beau Geste (Wellman)
I don't know if I'd go so far as to agree with bufordsharkley and call the Public Enemy a "turgid mess with two fine sequences", but it's not the Wellman from the decade I'd ever pick, not with this impeccable action adventure staring at me from the other end of the shelf (actually there are a half-dozen thirties Wellmans I'd rank above the Public Enemy, and there's still plenty of his films I've yet to see).

19. The Story of a Cheat (Guitry)
Considered more often as a historical footnote (its narration an influence on Orson Welles in particular) than as a film to actually track down and watch, this black comedy is actually quite a wonderful thing to view, if you find yourself with an opportunity.

21. A Farewell to Arms (Borzage)
It's true that the film must struggle against the reputation of its source novel, from which it deviates significantly. But Borzage understood, embraced, and created something entirely new and cinematic out of the constraints of the Hollywood adaptation formula. People complain about the final scene being a sell-out, but the cross-cutting that leads up to it is as thrilling as anything put forth by Griffith. The whole thing is gorgeously shot by Charles Lang.

22. The Sign of the Cross (DeMille)
Maybe my standards for quality are just out of whack. I mean, to read this film the way DeMille wanted his audience to (or was it just how he wanted his audience to think he wanted them to?) would get pretty tiresome, but to revel in the luxurious immorality of serpentine characters like Claudette Colbert's Poppea or Charles Laughton's body-waxed Nero is far too entertaining for me to rank any lower than this.

24. Nightly Dreams (Naruse)
Also known as Every Night Dreams (thanks, zedz for dealing with these variant titles without fuss or muss) and the best of the silent Naruses I've seen, set in a vividly-depicted location and featuring, as Steven H says, unforgettable characters.

25. Studie Nr. 6 (Fischinger)
I was tempted to throw votes for every Fischinger I've seen from the decade and see what stuck to the wall, but I ended up picking only two. Super glad one of them, Studie Nr. 7, made the cut, though I like this piece just a tad better, perhaps because it's set to music not entrenched in orchestra repertoire like Brahms is: it's Jacinto Guerrero's "Los Verderones".

27. Ruggles of Red Gap (McCarey)
The main way the 2004 list is better than this one is in regard to Leo McCarey. Make Way For Tomorrow's precipitous decline and this film's disappearance remind me how imperative it is that this director get the DVD treatment he deserves, before his masterpieces (this one a hilarious Western comedy) risk becoming forgotten completely.

32. Tomato Is Another Day (Watson & Wilder)
I don't think I can add anything to bufordsharkley's eloquent description, which only makes me think I probably should have placed this higher.

34. Easy Living (Leisen)
My favorite Leisen film & my favorite Preston Sturges script of the decade. It's pretty much impossible to describe; you just have to pop it in, sit back and enjoy the madness.

35. Mad Love (Freund)
Hollywood's Grandest Guignol of the decade. M is great, but I think I prefer Lorre's performance here.

36. Footlight Parade (Bacon)
I'm totally with zedz's reasoning on the structure of Busby Berkeley films, which is one reason I picked this for his slot in my 50. And it simply has the best non-musical sequences (is this possibly Cagney's most frenetic performance? I know there's stiff competition.) as well as the most consistently incredible musical sequences from the Berkeleys I've seen.

37. The Mascot (Starewicz)
My favorite Starewicz, perhaps mostly since it's the one I've seen the most times and under the best conditions (Le Roman de Renard for example I've only viewed on an awfully dupey VHS tape). But it's nice and creepy, and the character animation is still as actorly at puppets can get (and I mean that as a compliment).

38. The Lost Patrol (Ford)
I'm underversed in Ford films from the thirties, but this desert outpost drama, structured like a modern horror film where the unseen killer keeps picking off characters, is probably my favorite right now. It could just be the relevancy to my country's occupation of Iraq (heightened by Boris Karloff's religious fanatic character) biasing me though.

39. Apart From You (Naruse)
Looks like I was the only one to vote for this film which I suspect may be a sentimental favorite because it kicked off the recent Naruse retrospective for me. His weaving of several characters around each other so that it takes a while to become clear who's the focus kept me rapt through to the increasingly intense finale. What can I say, I even liked the product placements.

41. A Colour Box (Lye)
Still the most dazzling and foreword-seeing of the Lye films I've managed to encounter.

42. Five Star Final (LeRoy)
Dirty journalism is a great subject, but really it's all about Edward G. Robinson's performance, which acts as such an incredible counterweight to the sometimes-overplayed parlor drama. My personal favorite from among the early Warner "realist" talkies, back before the studio felt the need to assign a composer to everything they made.

43. The Seahorse (Paneleve)
I didn't do much to support the tradition of 1930s documentary filmmaking in my list, but at least I picked this hypnotic undersea nature film.

44. Baby Face (Green)
I'm a bit surprised I was the sole voter for this one. I suppose the timing of the DVD release of the restored version isn't so hot for this poll. Maybe two years from now (or whenever the 30s come around again) the Barbara Stanwyck (not to mention, though her role is small, Theresa Harris) appreciation will be more evident.

45. Flunky, Work Hard! (Naruse)
Not that it would have done any good, but I think I honestly ought've ranked this higher. Only thirty-eight minutes but it manages to create a very specific milieu, tell a heart-wrenching story, and garner some good laughs along the way. If put up against even I Was Born, But... head to head as if it were a contest, I'm not positively certain the Ozu would win every time.

46. The Black Cat (Ulmer)
I'm quite surprised to see this one drop all the way off the list from #47 last time around; did its R1 DVD release last year actually deflate some of its mystique? For me it's still gothic horror of the wonderfully weirdest order.

47. The Miracle Woman (Capra)
May be coasting on fumes as it's been a while since my last viewing, but I still think of this as my favorite Frank Capra film, maybe because it's the closest he ever came to Tod Browning territory.

48. The Good Fairy (Wyler)
Another delightful Hollywoodization of a Continental European play, with Preston Sturges scribbling the adaptation. Love love love the moviegoing scene as I'm a sucker for "meta". Speaking of which...

50. Thugs With Dirty Mugs (Avery)
It was nice to see a pair of brilliant Hollywood cartoon shorts (Porky in Wackyland and Bimbo's Initiation) on the list this time around, even if they were bested by a nice-enough but generally overrated Disney feature. I'm crossing my fingers that, if the 40s list doesn't exactly spill over with Clampett, Jones, Freleng, Tashlin & Avery cartoons, at least they can overwhelm the comparatively pretentious Disney films of that decade. Anyway, I couldn't let the thirties pass without picking an Avery, even if only in my last slot. The 1939 Thugs With Dirty Mugs is one of his best, funniest "spot gag" cartoons in which narrative is thrown out the window and themed gags prevail. And what a perfect theme for a Warner cartoon!

Forgot to vote for: Rose Hobart. I was stunned to see that its rank dropped farther than any other film from the 2004 list. But I can't exactly complain in this situation, can I?

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#191 Post by Scharphedin2 » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:03 am

These Panda lists are fascinating. I wish it was simple to go out and see many of the films that you are all talking about.

My list is almost embarassingly common in the titles selected. I simply do not have the viewing experience of '30s films that most of you do, and since I watched the majority of these films on "home video," I have over the years gravitated toward purchasing the films that I had read about -- the canon.

As I was putting my list together, I wrote out some notes and thoughts on why I would chose each of the films (or most of them, anyway) to go on the list. Probably, there is little new here for most of you who participated in the poll. But, maybe these comments can be of use to other forum members with a more limited exposure to the films of the '30s, like myself.

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1. Young Mr. Lincoln (John Ford, 1939).
I saw Young Mr. Lincoln for the first time earlier this year, and then watched it again last week. It really has made me enjoy myself more, think more and feel more than just about any other film that I have seen this year. Is it possible to imagine an American film today playing “Rally ‘Round the Flag, Boysâ€

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#192 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:01 am

Steven H wrote:3. Children in the Wind (Shimizu, 1937)

One of the best films about children, seemingly made by children in it's innocence of craft (not technically sloppy, but "sloppy".) Great child acting and one of the thirty's best actors, Sakamoto Takeshi.

Hiroshi Shimizu (who I also ranked 7th (Arigato-san, 1936), 11th (Forget Love for Now, 1937), 16th (Eclipse, 1936), 40th (Japanese Girls at the Harbor, 1933), and 50th (The Boss's Son Goes to College, 1933) made films on location, with actors and non-actors, primitively, with threadbare plots holding together cinematically interesting and distinct films. Mizoguchi once said, "People like me and Ozu get films made by hard work, but Shimizu is a genius..."
It's hard to pick favorite silent Shimizu films -- and even harder if one moves on to his talkies. If I had to pick onme silent favorite, it would probably be his two-parter "Seven Seas" -- which has a splendid lead performance by Hiroko Kawasaki and an astonishing co-starring performance by a 7 year old Hideko Takamine. In terms of sound films, "Ornamental Hairpin" might be my favorite.

"Children of the Wind" is wonderful -- evn if I would put it only in the middle of my Shimizu favorites list.

Steven H wrote:12. Dragnet Girl (Ozu, 1933)

Of all the early thirties Ozus, this one gets so little attention (and it seems early thirties Ozu is getting more and more). German expressionist chiaroscuro, american gangster seediness, some light-hearted Lubitsch touches, and the rest so very "Ozu". I probably should have ranked it higher. Also missing from the final list, Passing Fancy (15th, 1933) and What Did the Lady Forget? (18th, 1937), both hilarious (especially the latter) pitch-perfect (especially the former) films.
"Dragnet Girl" is wonderful (as is Kinuyo Tanaka as its lead), but I think my favorite Ozu gangster film is "Walk Cheerfully" (with Hiroko Kawasaki). This is possibly Ozu's most visually playful film. His most outright funny film ever is probably "Lady and the Beard" (starring Kawasaki again and Tokihiko Okada).

As to "Passing Fancy", I've already had my say on this wonderful film elsewhere: http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/ ... fancy.html

"What Did the Lady Forget" might just be the best Lubitsch film not made by Lubitsch himself. Moreover it is the grand finale for Ozu's pre-war repertory company (which would only partially re-assemble for the post-war "Tenement Gentleman"). And it is the best preserved early Ozu film (along with "Story of Floating Weeds").
Steven H wrote:17. Kochiyama Soshun (Yamanaka, 1936)

A kabuki send up, which, along with Yamanaka's brilliant Humanity and Paper Balloons and Tange Sazen and the pot Worth a Million Ryo (both of which thankfully ended up on the list, and were my two highest scorers) comprises the leftovers of Yamanaka's entire filmography. The film stars Hara Setsuko when she was in her late teens (beautiful, of course), and the same theatre troupe used in Yamanaka's other works (they should already be familiar faces!). The language barrier is the only obstacle for me.
Actually Setsuko Hara was probably only 15 (or just turned 16) when this was filmed. The other actors were so good that Mizoguchi used later them in his wartime history films "$7 Ronin" and "Musashiu Miyamoto". As far as I can tell, this is not so much a "send up" of the kabuki play -- but a very dark and grim (though still occasionally funny) re-imagining of the kabuki original.
Steven H wrote:20. The Neighbor's Wife and Mine (Gosho, 1932)

Silly, but immensely rewatchable. This was Japan's first major talkie, and is what Sosin should be studying for the proper 30s Ozu soundtrack. I also ranked Gosho's Woman in the Mist (27th, 1936), as it's somewhat disjointed plot, and melodramatic acting, still seems to be taking place on another world through fascinating use of editing and set design. Sakamoto Takeshi is worth the price of admission alone.
The moswt impressive Gosho film I've seen is probably his comparatively late "Banka". But "Neighbor's Wife" is one of my other favorites -- along with his two-part "Shindo" (New Path). Although this was an experiment in sound film making (Japan's first major full length sound feature), it uses sound far more brilliantly than Hollywood films of the same year (e.g. Little Caesar).
Steven H wrote:21. Every Night Dreams (Naruse, 1933)

It looks like at least a couple Naruses, this and Wife be like a Rose! (my 25th, 1936) barely missed out placing on the list. Even with a traveling retrospective, Naruse misses out (though there's a little bit of hell being given to the people who post here about him constantly). These two, and Street Without End (45th, 1934) have some of the best character development I'm aware of, as truly unforgettable people inhabit these films.
All of Naruse's surviving silent films are very rewarding -- and this just barely edges "Apart from You" (with superb performances from Mitsuko Yoshikawa and a 16 or 17 year old Sumiko Mizukubo). Sumiko Kurishima's performance here is one of the best performances by an actress ever -- and Tatsuo Saito, her good-hearted but utterly ineffectual husband, is very different from the kind of character we see him playing in Ozu.
Steven H wrote:22. My Little Neighbor Miss Yae (Shimazu, 1934)

This and The Lights of Asakusa (24th, 1936) I only recently had the chance to see last year at the NYFF Shochiku retrospective, and they're fantastic. Quickly climbing my list, and Shimazu was supposedly an old hat that inspired Ozu, Yamanaka, and Naruse to their film heights. Though I believe the pupils surpassed him, his films still exhibit that lyricism which the best shomingeki films of this period can show.
"Little Miss Yae" is a very enjoyable film -- if not quite the equal of the mighty five (Ozu, Naruse, Mizoguchi, Shimizu and Yamanaka), Shimazu was at least the equal of Gosho (and that is pretty decent indeed).

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#193 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:16 am

Brian Oblivious wrote:12. Wife! Be Like a Rose! (Naruse)
Japan may have taken to making talkies quite late in the game, but it seemingly only gave a director like Naruse extra time to consider what kind of inventiveness he might bring to sound cinema once he tackled it. Use of music and sound doesn't get much better than in this irresistibly charming comedy from 1935.
Agreed. Interestingly, this was the first Japanese talkie to reach the shores of North America -- and shortly after its Japanese release too. Alas, American critics brushed it off.
Brian Oblivious wrote:15. The Smiling Lieutenant (Lubitsch)
Other than Trouble in Paradise which held steady, Lubitsch suffered in this edition of the list. I'm sad to see this, perhaps the apogee of his operetta films, drop out of the top 100. Chevalier, Colbert, Hopkins- what more can a body ask for?
Colbert. and Hopkins are wonderful -- and Chevalier is more appealing than usual (not typoically one of my favorites). Of course, "So, This Is Paris" and "Design for Living" are very wonderful too.
Brian Oblivious wrote:39. Apart From You (Naruse)
Looks like I was the only one to vote for this film which I suspect may be a sentimental favorite because it kicked off the recent Naruse retrospective for me. His weaving of several characters around each other so that it takes a while to become clear who's the focus kept me rapt through to the increasingly intense finale. What can I say, I even liked the product placements.
One of my favorite early Naruse films.

Sadly the wonderful young actress Sumiko Kurishima (who was no older than the 16 or 17 year old character she portrayed here) would soon disappear from the movie scene, forever. The only arguable flaw in this near-perfect film is the male lead (who is played by an actor considerably older than his teen-aged character) -- and I think one can overlook this if one tries just a little:

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/ ... m_you.html
Brian Oblivious wrote:45. Flunky, Work Hard! (Naruse)
Not that it would have done any good, but I think I honestly ought've ranked this higher. Only thirty-eight minutes but it manages to create a very specific milieu, tell a heart-wrenching story, and garner some good laughs along the way. If put up against even I Was Born, But... head to head as if it were a contest, I'm not positively certain the Ozu would win every time.
I like this. But I don't think, taken as a whole, that it measures up to "I Was Born But". But that's a pretty hard mark to hit.

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#194 Post by Steven H » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:33 am

Michael Kerpan wrote:It's hard to pick favorite silent Shimizu films -- and even harder if one moves on to his talkies. If I had to pick onme silent favorite, it would probably be his two-parter "Seven Seas" -- which has a splendid lead performance by Hiroko Kawasaki and an astonishing co-starring performance by a 7 year old Hideko Takamine. In terms of sound films, "Ornamental Hairpin" might be my favorite.
I haven't seen Seven Seas, but hopefully someday. When we get to the 40s list, Ornamental Hairpin (and a few other Shimizus) will certainly have top marks in my list. I also want to add that my current avatar is from Shimizu's Children in the Wind.

Michael Kerpan wrote:"Dragnet Girl" is wonderful (as is Kinuyo Tanaka as its lead), but I think my favorite Ozu gangster film is "Walk Cheerfully" (with Hiroko Kawasaki). This is possibly Ozu's most visually playful film. His most outright funny film ever is probably "Lady and the Beard" (starring Kawasaki again and Tokihiko Okada).

"What Did the Lady Forget" might just be the best Lubitsch film not made by Lubitsch himself. Moreover it is the grand finale for Ozu's pre-war repertory company (which would only partially re-assemble for the post-war "Tenement Gentleman"). And it is the best preserved early Ozu film (along with "Story of Floating Weeds").
I agree with you, and love all these films. It's hard picking a favorite Ozu, or even a handful of favorites. I'll have to rewatch Walk Cheerfully, but I remember preferring Dragnet Girl.
Michael Kerpan wrote:The moswt impressive Gosho film I've seen is probably his comparatively late "Banka". But "Neighbor's Wife" is one of my other favorites -- along with his two-part "Shindo" (New Path). Although this was an experiment in sound film making (Japan's first major full length sound feature), it uses sound far more brilliantly than Hollywood films of the same year (e.g. Little Caesar).
Sound and music play a key role in this film's plot, so it makes sense it would be more emphasized, but I definitely agree that it's better utilized than Little Caeser (not that hard to do.)

I'm going to have to go back and rewatch all the decade's Naruse that I have around pretty soon. That's one of the great things about these threads, that they remind me, and inspire me, to watch and rewatch films that are so often relegated to just being another title, year, or director in the avalanche of discussion that goes on.

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#195 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:29 pm

Steven H wrote:I haven't seen Seven Seas, but hopefully someday. When we get to the 40s list, Ornamental Hairpin (and a few other Shimizus) will certainly have top marks in my list. I also want to add that my current avatar is from Shimizu's Children in the Wind.
Alas, no _subbed_ version of "Seven Seas" seems to be obtainable -- though I do believe a subbed print was shown here and there. I bewlieve the unsubbed Japanese video is probablyu out of print (as is most of Shimizu).

It is amazing how much Takamine seems to have matured during the course of 1931. She not only regained all the teeth she was missing when Ozu's Tokyo Chorus was filmed -- but had a new level of focus and concentration. Uncanny. The first film in which she manages to inspire shedding of a tear.
Steven H wrote:I agree with you, and love all these films. It's hard picking a favorite Ozu, or even a handful of favorites. I'll have to rewatch Walk Cheerfully, but I remember preferring Dragnet Girl.
Ozu's surviving 30s film output is amazingly strong overall. Picking a favorite is hard -- so I simply picked "Tokyo Inn" . But there is lots of competition.
Steven H wrote:Sound and music play a key role in this film's plot, so it makes sense it would be more emphasized, but I definitely agree that it's better utilized than Little Caeser (not that hard to do.)
But the marshaling of sound and music in Gosho's (and Japan's) first (major) talkie was impressive even if judged by a more stringent comparison point than Little Caesar. for instance, the jazz band (ostensibly in the house next door) had to play "offstage" on a real time basis whenever our hero and his wife were supposed to be hearing it in their house. Maintaining musical continuity between cuts -- as our hero goes from his house -- to outside - and into the house next door must have required some real logistical nightmares.
Steven H wrote:I'm going to have to go back and rewatch all the decade's Naruse that I have around pretty soon. That's one of the great things about these threads, that they remind me, and inspire me, to watch and rewatch films that are so often relegated to just being another title, year, or director in the avalanche of discussion that goes on.
Most of the 18 Naruse films of the 30s I've seen were quite good -- with more than a few masterpieces. Probably the weakest was "Five Men in a Circus" -- which sort of prefigures the later (and remarkable) "Traveling Actors". Naruse's own two-part romance for young working women "Kafuku" is also quite good by the way (despite not featuring a young Takamine -- like Gosho's and Shimizu's two-parters).
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#196 Post by Lemmy Caution » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:30 pm

Some thoughts ...

I think in some ways, we are all victims of availability. Definitely I am, and I ran into a few obstacles while trying to compile this list. Foremost was the fact that all of the 30's Ozu's I picked up turned out not to have English subtitles (they list English on the back cover, but things are often imprecise here in China). That was certainly disappointing, and now I'll have to try to hunt up other editions. [Another disappointment from last year was the bootleg edition of Freaks which had excellent coverwork and a nicely artworked disc, but actually contained The Grand Illusion, a film which I already owned.]

One very nice surprise was a film called La Mouchard I picked up a while back, because it listed John Ford as the director . Turns out that it's a French edition of The Informer. A wonderful film, where the informing occurs early on, and then we watch the doomed informer do all he can to forget his injustice to his friend, including giving the blood money away as fast as possible. Maybe a little over-acted at times, but it tells a powerful and emotional story, with echoes of M tossed in. Interestingly, much of the film and sentiment plays liek a silent film, with little dialog in the first half. It made my Top 20, at #17. I also ranked Ford'sPrisoner of Shark Island at 41. But I'm surprised by the strong appeal of Young Mr. Lincoln which seems to me a mostly good-natured exercise in hokum.

Toni nearly made my Top 50, even though I've only seen it in French without English subtitles (and my Chinese, Spanish and Kiswahili skills are way ahead of my nearly non-existent French). Damn, I love Renoir films from that era.

I placed Marius (Korda, 1931) at #29, and was surprised it didn't make the list. I'm not sure of its availability, but round my way only Marius and Cesar (Pagnol, 1936) are available -- sans Fanny (1933), the middle third of the trilogy. Marius is a warm and wonderful film. Very talkative for 1931, it being a filmed version of Pagnol's play. It gives such a feel for the time and place and relationships that it attains a universality. Also, a great performance by Raimu as Cesar.

[Cesar, otoh, has a good beginning (Panisse's death bed) which reintroduces the characters and moves the plot forward. But then bogs down in squabbling, romanticizing, and a drawn-out resolution, with Raimu awkwardly reinserted into the re-union of Marius and Fanny.]

Anyway, I'm still absorbing Zedz' list and Brian's breakdown.
Some on my list didn't make it too far. But I'm more surprised at how high up some films are (especially Bringing Up Baby and Vampyr at #10 & 11). I like Dreyer, but his critical reputation far exceeds my own appreciation of his films. I'm a bit sorry that I didn't re-watch Le Million (Clair, 1931), which likely should have made my list except for a hazy memory. I was too busy the last two weeks catching up with Top Hat, Robin Hood, Cesar and a few others, which, while entertaining, didn't come close to making my list.

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#197 Post by Brian Oblivious » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:28 pm

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Colbert. and Hopkins are wonderful -- and Chevalier is more appealing than usual (not typically one of my favorites). Of course, "So, This Is Paris" and "Design for Living" are very wonderful too.
I voted for the latter and was glad to see it place but have yet to see the former.
Michael Kerpan wrote: I like this. But I don't think, taken as a whole, that it measures up to "I Was Born But". But that's a pretty hard mark to hit.
I basicly agree, but I haven't actually seen I Was Born, But... double-billed with Flunky, Work Hard, and there's a shade of uncertainty about which would come off as the superior one if I were to try it; I'd certainly bet on the Ozu, but I'm not 100% certain. Which is a testament to my respect for Naruse's film.

Michael, I don't suppose you submitted a list yourself? I'd be very curious to see what your "darlings" were, if so.

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#198 Post by Michael » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:31 am

Im glad it did Michael - good to see so much sway against the old "Academy" regulars.

I was torn between Top Hat and Gay Divorcee (always am) - do I prefer the gorgeous sweet singing voice of Ginger in The Piccolino or LIllian MIles with a Bronx Honk singing the Continental in Gay Divorcee, plus the hair raising Vorkapichian montages of the dancers. Divorcee ended up with my vote for Astaire/Rogers.
davidhare, you've just convinced me to pre-order the upcoming second volume of Astaire/Rogers musicals which I wasn't too sure about.

What also impresses me about Top Hat is how this film - a 71-year old musical! - continues to appeal generation by generation. I've shown this film to friends and relatives of every generation, including teens of today and every single one of them loved Top Hat. There is something breathtakingly timeless about it.

Swing Time is just as gorgeous - absolutely a fine film! - but the supporting cast is kind of weak when being compared to Top Hat. Who doesn't like Madge? Swing Time lacks the rich humor that makes Top Hat sparkle. But the dance numbers in both films are equally extraordinary. I now can't wait to see The Gay Divocee, davidhare's favorite.
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#199 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:18 am

Brian Oblivious wrote:I basicly agree, but I haven't actually seen I Was Born, But... double-billed with Flunky, Work Hard, and there's a shade of uncertainty about which would come off as the superior one if I were to try it; I'd certainly bet on the Ozu, but I'm not 100% certain. Which is a testament to my respect for Naruse's film.

Michael, I don't suppose you submitted a list yourself? I'd be very curious to see what your "darlings" were, if so.
Stylistically, Naruse does not have the level of consistency and self-control that Ozu had -- and that Naruse himself himself would have soon after -- by his next film "Nasanunaka" (badly translated as "Not Blood Relations").

I find it _very_ hard to make lists that are more general than "my 20 most favorite Ozu (or Naruse et al.) films. There are simply too many movies I love from the 30s to pick just a (comparative) few. The 40s might be a little easier -- as this produced a far smaller number of my favorite films. Even so...

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#200 Post by HerrSchreck » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:54 am

I hafta say I really goofed my list, leaving off some lifelong favorites due to the rush I was under. I had drawn up a handwritten list of about 75 faves which I then painfully whittled down to fifty, that I was supposed to bring in the weekend before the one that just passed and send in; I forgot it at home on my way to work (most of my time here is spent on weekend overnites at work). Then I realized I lost the damned thing on my way in this past weekend, then a major incident at my studio totally frazzled my head and saw me slapping together a list at the last minute, and being granted a little grace period by our good man, the knightly Sir zedz.

Not only did I leave off two of some of my favorite films of all time (Vigo's features, as well as his silent APROPOS DE NICE, which should have placed in the top fifty, shame on us all), but I left off two of Reuben Mamoulian's 30's masterpieces, CITY STREETS & JEKYLL HYDE-- two nuclear genre-transcendant melodramas. I can handle leaving off some Ozu, as his placement as "greatest" at that point is in my mind debatable. Whereas Murnau could generally present a silent melodrama in exalted ways that atomize my heart & soul, Ozu during his silent years is a notch or two down-- this is merely my opinion. Same goes for the Warner gangster pics like CAESAR & PUB ENEMY (though Walsh's ROARING 20's pains me as another omission).

I was surprised to see no placement for Archie Mayo's SVENGALI w Barrymore. From the first moment this tightly knit film, with it's avant garde art design and wildly self-reflexive performances by Barrymore and his assistant "Gecko" bordering on total absurdity... registers as an early talkie masterpiece in my quacky book. Pure entertainment from start to finish, with one of the smoothest insanely subjective tracking shots in the history of the cinema: you know how Lubitsch would occasionally back away from his set out a window and with trick of the eye editing make you think you were circling the building in question (by using a revolving miniature) in gods-eye or helicopter view.. to zip forward back into the building thru someone else's window to see parallel action? (There's a perfect example of this technique in TROUBLE IN PARADISE where he backs out the Venitian hotel window to circle it and fly into the suite where Monsecu's victim is coming to after being jostled.) Well there's a scene in SVENGALI that makes this look like child's play... we start out in hugest closeup of Barrymore's sinister eyes glaring hypnotically in the camera, whereby it backs slowly ever further away, to back out the window, over BLUE ANGEL type rooftops through a groaning nighttime wind, soaring over rooves and alleyways to finally pick out and burst into-- as though we ourselves are witnessing Svengali's invisible soundless "call" to Trilby leave his mind and cross the city to break into her room, then her head-- her room, tracking forward towards her until she stirs as the camera moves in for closeup. Between the two actors is obviously a pair of cuts going in and out of miniature sets, and it's so well it all appears to be a single impossible shot.

I really let my list be a compendium reflecting my personal loves and obsessions every bit as much as "historical/auteurist importance". On the importance side I let in a touch of what I consider to be the genuine public birth of independant film-- that is, the 1930's exploitation film. While the avant garde titles by Fischinger, Cornell, Leyda et al that made the list were wonderful, they had virtually zero impact on the films of their day because nobody saw them. SO these would have clearly been entered on our list as purely personal favorites as most have only recently received their very first exposure to a general audience via the two magnificent (UNSEEN/EXPERIMENTAL CINEMA sets from Image & Kino) sets which hit market over the past year or two.

But the birth of the exploitation film to me really signals the birth of a viable independant film movement. Complete and total Hollywood outsiders and amateurs like a guy like Dwain Esper could generate a huge national audience, and play hugely experimental games with peoples minds as well as the cinematic common denomitator by focusing on salacious topics appealing to the base instincts of the public... and have a complete studio-free hand to create hard-hitting portraits of the human disasters which were part and parcel with rural (i e CHILD BRIDE) as well as urban (THE COCAINE FIENDS, NARCOTIC) American life. Post-code, these guys were free to do whatever they wanted-- nudity, shots of needles going into arms, interacial sex, prostitution, etc-- and partially by accident rather than by design revealed the genuine nightmare lurking not only beneath the flipside of the American dream but of the show-biz aspirations as well... so many of the women who wind up hookers, junk dealers, VD-ridden, were showgirls (i e SEX MADNESS by Esper), or generally middle American good girls who came to NYC or LA looking for the dream they saw on the silver screen. You also get the occasional hybrid ex post facto horror/sci-fi/sexually exploitive masterpiece like Esper's MANIAC, filled with such bad acting, atomically lurid presentation of even more lurid subject matter, imitating the Universal horror flicks of the day, but tossing in nudity, drug abuse, fargone insanity laden with awful visions & hallucinations repro'd onscreen, as well as a general viciousness in all characters leading to outbursts of the strangest violence (gouging a cat's eye out & eating it, then throwing the cat, a real cat, thru a plate glass window!)... the sum total is surely, for me anyhow, one of the strangest cinematic concoctions I've ever seen, as unique as is possible, and strangely rewarding on a well nigh infinite basis. THE COCAINE FEINDS is a genuinely disturbing story , mercilessly portrayed, of a very very very sweet, beautiful, genuinely nice goodhearted middle American girl tricked into the big city by a smooth talking drug pusher who hooks her on C to keep her obedient, and locks her into a hideous dive until she's so hooked she's begging for C. The scene where the madame of the dump laughingly reveals to the young girl that the "headache powder" she so craves has been dope all along, the "kid killer", with the madame laughing ever harder as the girl gets more and more anguished, is one of the more chilling scenes I've seen.

I was disappointed to see that Kenton's ISLAND OF LOST SOULS didn't place. It really needs to get out on DVD. Thank god MAD LOVE is, which was very high on my list. I generally love the horror films as pioneered by Universal, quickly followed by Paramount & MGM, and had to place them very high on my list. Whale was my very first "favorite director", and the importance of these films as well as the genre itself is impossible to overstate. Not to mention the low budget sequels being an excellent proving ground for great cinematographers-- like noir in the next decade-- where wild set design and cinematography were allowed by the studio heads in ways not permitted in other genres. I love the FRANKENSTEIN sequels, adore DRACS DAUGHTER, the Freund's MUMMY is a flat out masterpiece, and just about everything by Whale can stand alongside just about anything produced in the entire history of the cinema.

I too forgot the MASCOT, which has one of my favorite scores of all time, as well as being perhaps the coolest puppetry of all time (the French ruffian & his long legged girl are some of the most impossibly expressive countenances one can see on a miniature).

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