Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Akerman in the 70s

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Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Akerman in the 70s

#1 Post by Jeff » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:54 pm

ECLIPSE SERIES 19: CHANTAL AKERMAN IN THE 70S

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La chambre

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In Chantal Akerman’s early short film La chambre, we see the furniture and clutter of one small room in an apartment become the subject of a moving still life—with Akerman herself staring back at us. This breakthrough formal experiment is the first film the director made in New York.

Hotel Monterey

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Under Chantal Akerman’s watchful eye, a cheap New York hotel glows with mystery and unexpected beauty, its corridors, elevators, rooms, windows, and occasional tenants framed as though part of an Edward Hopper tableau.

News from Home

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Akerman’s unforgettable time capsule of New York City in the 1970s is also a gorgeous meditation on urban alienation and personal and familial disconnection.

Je tu il elle

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In her sexually provocative first feature, Chantal Akerman stars as a nameless, rootless young woman who leaves self-imposed isolation to embark on a road trip that leads to lonely love affairs.

Les rendez-vous d'Anna

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In one of Akerman’s most penetrating character studies, Anna, an accomplished filmmaker (played by Aurore Clément), makes her way through a series of anonymous European cities to promote her latest movie.

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Re: Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Ackerman in the Seventies

#2 Post by domino harvey » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:54 pm

Well, theirs will most surely have bonus materials/booklets/etc. Beautiful looking Eclipse though, maybe the best color scheme yet

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#3 Post by Hail_Cesar » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:58 pm

HerrSchreck wrote:I posted that image above... the question is (I never sprung for the PAL set) are these titles a dupe of what's on the R2 set?
Saute ma ville is missing in the eclipse set
Is it in Jeanne?

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#4 Post by Gregory » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:02 pm

Hail_Cesar wrote:
HerrSchreck wrote:I posted that image above... the question is (I never sprung for the PAL set) are these titles a dupe of what's on the R2 set?
Saute ma ville is missing in the eclipse set
Is it in Jeanne?
Yes

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Re: Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Ackerman in the Seventies

#5 Post by GringoTex » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:13 pm

I sold my last 70s Akerman boxset from Belgium for $130 three days ago. :lol:

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#6 Post by domino harvey » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:16 pm

My first thought was "Christ, my stupid Belgium set's in storage and now I'll never get rid of it"

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Re: Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Ackerman in the Seventies

#7 Post by hangman » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:18 pm

Well one advantage of the Eclipse, other than price, would be that it doesn't come in the cineart box which makes the packaging of this one even better. But yeah definitely curious as to how the MoC set will compare with the cineart release (I don't think the eclipse set counts much considering that it will be bare bones and MoC will definitely stack up on extras, even moreso considering the care they've given their boxset releases.)

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Re: Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Akerman in the 70s

#8 Post by Fiery Angel » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:03 pm

Luckily, I sold my Belgian set on Amazon for $150 a few months ago.

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#9 Post by der_Artur » Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:16 am

GringoTex wrote:I sold my last 70s Akerman boxset from Belgium for $130 three days ago. :lol:
I understand that it is good to make some money, but I don't understand what makes the eclipse set better than the Belgian one. The liner notes?

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#10 Post by montgomery » Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:36 am

If I may be totally presumptuous and speak for GringoTex, whom I don't know at all, his point was that if he had sold the box three days later, he wouldn't have gotten $130 for it. He probably couldn't even sell it. It doesn't imply that the Eclipse set is better, although I bet the buyer is pissed.

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#11 Post by SoyCuba » Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:48 am

Also worth noting is GringoTex's use of word 'last'. This would imply that he had bought, not one, but several copies of the Belgian boxset most propably for the very reason of being able to sell them for a higher price he had paid for them himself after the boxset had gone out of print.

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#12 Post by GringoTex » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:05 pm

montgomery wrote:If I may be totally presumptuous and speak for GringoTex, whom I don't know at all, his point was that if he had sold the box three days later, he wouldn't have gotten $130 for it. He probably couldn't even sell it. It doesn't imply that the Eclipse set is better, although I bet the buyer is pissed.
The set's going for 79.99 now. A couple of months ago they were selling for $220.
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#13 Post by Wittsdream » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:44 pm

Hail_Cesar wrote:
HerrSchreck wrote:I posted that image above... the question is (I never sprung for the PAL set) are these titles a dupe of what's on the R2 set?
Saute ma ville is missing in the eclipse set
Is it in Jeanne?
Aside from containing every feature on the new Criterion Eclipse set + Jeanne Dielmann, here are a list of the extras contained on the R2 Belgian Set of the Chantal Akerman Collection (Les Annees 70):

-Interview with Chantal Akerman/Cinema de notre temps (17 min) [Repeated on Criterion Jeanne Dielmann release]
-Documentary on Akerman "The Auteur" (78 min) [Repeated on Criterion Jeanne Dielmann release]
-Saute ma Ville (Akerman short/13 min) [Repeated on Criterion Jeanne Dielmann release]
-La Chambre (Akerman short/11 min) [Also on Eclipse set]
-Interview with Babette Mangolte (Akerman's cinematographer on 3 features/32 min) [Repeated on Criterion Jeanne Dielmann release]
-Interview with Natalie Akerman (Akerman's mother/27 min) [Repeated on Criterion Jeanne Dielmann release]
-Interview with Aurore Clement (18 min) NOT ON ANY CRITERION RELEASE

So, it seems the only thing not available through Criterion (Eclipse set + Jeanne Dielmann) would be the interview with Aurore Clement. And conversely, the Criterion Jeanne Dielmann release has an interview with Delphine Seyrig, and booklet containing interviews with scholars Ivone Margulies and Janet Bergstrom, not available in the Belgian box.

If you already have the Belgian Akerman box, normally it wouldn't make sense to double dip on the Eclipse set, but there are a few reasons to consider it:

1) The already mentioned added bonuses from the Criterion Jeanne Dielmann release not available in the Belgian box.
2) A potentially better English subtitle translation of the feature films.
3) There is a discrepancy in the running times for 3 of the 4 features in these sets (Hotel Monterey, Je Tu Il Elle and Les Rendez-vous D'Anna are all around 4-5 minutes longer on the Eclipse set than they are on the Belgian set, while curiously the News from Home running time is the same in both sets). Also, the running times for Jeanne Dielmann are different as well (Criterion - 201 minutes/R2 Belgian set - 197 min). One would presume the discrepancy is due to 4% PAL speedup in some of these releases, which would mean the Eclipse set is taken from a non-PAL source, therefore not converted.

The R2 set looks quite good, and stands a decent chance of trumping the upcoming Eclipse set in image quality based solely on the differences between PAL & NTSC resolutions, but die-hard Akerman completists may find it worth upgrading to the Eclipse set when it is released, along with owning Criterion's Jeanne Dielmann. I dunno! :-k

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Re: Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Akerman in the 70s

#14 Post by backstreetsbackalright » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:51 pm

I'm thrilled that these are finally getting released. Although I'm also very content with my Belgian boxed set. I guess I'll wait until these actually hit the streets, to gather more info on the differences (if any), and also in hopes that we know more about Masters of Cinema's plans.

As an aside, D'est has just come out on commercially-available DVD as well, which is quite exciting. I'm optimistic that we'll also see From The Other Side and South some day in the not-too-far-off future.

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#15 Post by Oedipax » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:11 pm

backstreetsbackalright wrote:As an aside, D'est has just come out on commercially-available DVD as well, which is quite exciting. I'm optimistic that we'll also see From The Other Side and South some day in the not-too-far-off future.
Has anyone actually found D'est in stock for order anywhere?

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#16 Post by Gregory » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:47 pm

Oedipax wrote:
backstreetsbackalright wrote:As an aside, D'est has just come out on commercially-available DVD as well, which is quite exciting. I'm optimistic that we'll also see From The Other Side and South some day in the not-too-far-off future.
Has anyone actually found D'est in stock for order anywhere?
I'm continuing this discussion in the Chantal Akerman on DVD thread.

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#17 Post by perkizitore » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:45 pm

Wittsdream wrote: If you already have the Belgian Akerman box, normally it wouldn't make sense to double dip on the Eclipse set, but there are a few reasons to consider it:

1) The already mentioned added bonuses from the Criterion Jeanne Dielmann release not available in the Belgian box.
2) A potentially better English subtitle translation of the feature films.
3) There is a discrepancy in the running times for 3 of the 4 features in these sets (Hotel Monterey, Je Tu Il Elle and Les Rendez-vous D'Anna are all around 4-5 minutes longer on the Eclipse set than they are on the Belgian set, while curiously the News from Home running time is the same in both sets). Also, the running times for Jeanne Dielmann are different as well (Criterion - 201 minutes/R2 Belgian set - 197 min). One would presume the discrepancy is due to 4% PAL speedup in some of these releases, which would mean the Eclipse set is taken from a non-PAL source, therefore not converted.

The R2 set looks quite good, and stands a decent chance of trumping the upcoming Eclipse set in image quality based solely on the differences between PAL & NTSC resolutions, but die-hard Akerman completists may find it worth upgrading to the Eclipse set when it is released, along with owning Criterion's Jeanne Dielmann. I dunno! :-k
The Eclipse set will have better english subtitles, better design and most importantly it will be cheaper, especially if you buy it in a sale. Also, you hold off buying Jeanne Dielmann, who may get a better release in the future.

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Re: Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Akerman in the 70s

#18 Post by hangman » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:12 pm

Beaver the set, not much of a difference from the cineart (not like anyone didn't expect this).

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Re: Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Akerman in the 70s

#19 Post by Fierias » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:37 pm

I do think that the Eclipse image for News From Home is significantly better than the Cineart, which is nice since it is my favorite film in the set. Can't wait to pick it up.


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Re: Eclipse Series 19: Chantal Akerman in the 70s

#21 Post by khan0890 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:28 am

the best part is where she talks about herzog.... ;)

“He’s nuts. I don’t like him. He’s a Nietzschean but not in the right sense. There are many kinds of Nietzschean – he’s such a German asshole. I don’t trust him. I don’t say he didn’t make some interesting things – he did. But as a person he’s an asshole”

and then she pisses all over THE WHITE RIBBON.

i like herzog and haneke but akerman is f'in badass.

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#22 Post by knives » Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:31 am

Aww, that podcast made me a fan.

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#23 Post by Napier » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:06 pm

I'm not sure I understand the grading policy on the DVD reviews here. How is 1/10 an easy recommendation?

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#24 Post by Matt » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:59 pm

Napier wrote:I'm not sure I understand the grading policy on the DVD reviews here. How is 1/10 an easy recommendation?
The 1/10 is the grade for the supplements. There is more discussion on this issue here.

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#25 Post by gyorgys » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:59 pm

knives wrote:Aww, that podcast made me a fan.
Of whom? :-k

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