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#701 Post by barryconvex » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:20 am

MichaelB wrote:I always assumed that Monty Python and the Holy Grail was a direct piss-take of Lancelot du Lac...
I had the exact same thought while watching Jabberwocky...

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#702 Post by matrixschmatrix » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:03 am

MichaelB wrote:I always assumed that Monty Python and the Holy Grail was a direct piss-take of Lancelot du Lac until I looked at its production history against the Bresson film’s release history and realised that this would be a logistical impossibility - unless one of the Monty Python team was treated to an early screening in France (and why would they have been?), they’d have had to fly down to Cannes mid-production for the world premiere. And Lancelot du Lac didn’t open theatrically in Britain until several months after Holy Grail - for some reason it took more than a year to cross the Channel.

So it really does seem to be a very unfortunate coincidence.
One of the Pythons- Jones, I think- talks about this in the special features for Holy Grail, as he says that Bresson's movie opened in New York just after theirs did, and how he kind of felt awful because he actually really liked the Bresson, but it didn't stand a chance at not being treated as ridiculous due to the juxtaposition.

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#703 Post by starmanof51 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:19 pm

The Pythons had been working on the Grail script for awhile too. There were some bits from early drafts that ended up getting used in the last TV season (I'm fuzzy but I think in the Michael Ellis/Department Store episode. Early Grail draft had descendants of the knights still looking for the Grail and checking out Harrod's, because "Harrod's has everything")

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#704 Post by colinr0380 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:30 am

FilmNerdJamie wrote:
colinr0380 wrote:Excalibur would be a fantastic release. It still remains the ultimate 'dark, grungy' high fantasy version of the legend (anticipating a whole run of dark fantasy through the early to mid 80s), maintaining a delicate balance between a sense of wonder whilst filling the characters full of horribly human, adult flaws - the kind of flaws that the more magical figures can inspire them to rise above and/or exploit.

Though it needs to appear in a month where Monty Python and the Holy Grail and Lancelot du Lac also get brought out, for contrast!
Given that it's one of their stock-catalog titles (and the fact Boorman's other masterworks Deliverance and Point Blank got their due), it's shocking Excalibur hasn't gotten a proper home-video release with top-notch transfer and extras. I say that but I could see Point Blank get the Criterion treatment too.

Would be nice for them to get on that while Boorman is still with us... and, while we're at it, someone please put a camera in front of him and get him to talk about The Exorcist II: The Heretic.
Not to mention that I'd really like a good Blu-ray version of Beyond Rangoon at some point, though it might be controversial at the current time due to its focus on the currently getting re-evaulated figure of Aung San Su Kyi. (But then that would provide the fantastic opportunity for historical extras and roundtable discussions Battle of Algiers-style!)

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#705 Post by neeb » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:31 pm

So I was listening to the Director's Club podcast episode on James Whale. And they mentioned SHOWBOAT and how they didn't watch it because they couldn't locate a copy.

I checked the Warner Archive page and...

SHOW BOAT (1936) is out of print.

There is no James Whale in the Collection and there was a report of a phantom page a year back so this movie is now a possibility.

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#706 Post by Minkin » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:50 pm

I'm sure Show Boat is coming at some point - as it was a former Criterion Laserdisc title. Oddly, the laserdisc commentary has shown up on the TCM broadcast of Show Boat as a SAP audio option (strange since the commentary has never appeared on any other video release).

Its a great film, although I mostly just remember the Paul Robeson performances.

Speaking of which - Criterion apparently has the rights to the 30s King Solomon's Mines. Thus I wonder if they'd pair it with the 50s version as well (which WB owns). They could also do the same sort of thing with including the remake of Show Boat with the 30s version, although I think the Whale version is far superior and can exist on its own.

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#707 Post by Ashirg » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:52 pm

Ashirg wrote:Whatever happened to Linklater's Suburbia?
To respond to myself, it's getting a DVD-R release from Warner Archive in January...

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#708 Post by Mr. Deltoid » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:16 am

Ashirg wrote:
Ashirg wrote:Whatever happened to Linklater's Suburbia?
To respond to myself, it's getting a DVD-R release from Warner Archive in January...
Bloody hell, that's annoying! Not even a WB Archive Blu-ray, but a DVD-R? You'd think Linklater's name alone would have persuaded them to bump it up to a pressed disc. Do we know if Warner have the UK rights to this as well? Something in the back of my mind says it was a different distributor, but I could be wrong.

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#709 Post by demonknight » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:15 pm

Apparently, last night at a spoken word show, John Waters confirmed Criterion was doing Female Trouble for 2018 and Polyester for late 2018/early 2019.

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#710 Post by Dentists » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:24 pm

criterion10 wrote:
ianungstad wrote:Stop (Bill Gunn)
Last Summer (Frank Perry)
I do know that the Warner Archive was planning to release both of these, only to be postponed after having trouble locating quality prints.
Bill Gunn’s STOP! - quality print does exist...
Ganja & Hess soundtrack by Sam Waymon out 4/21/18. Contact your local record store to make sure they stock this.

Also I heard from Warner Bros the definitive reason why Bill Gunn’s “Stop!” Hasn’t been released - copyright issues:
“This is mostly in relationship to street music heard in the distant background of the film during interior scenes”.

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#711 Post by KJones77 » Thu May 31, 2018 9:21 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:55 am
Was wondering what was left from the initial group of WB oop titles that were speculated to be heading to Criterion. Ian's post was from November of 2014 (page 15)
ianungstad wrote:About a week ago Warner Brothers discontinued a number of Archive releases that generated some speculation that they may have been licensed to Criterion including:

Dreams (Akira Kurosawa)
Blow Up (Michelangelo Antonioni)
The Breaking Point (Michael Curtiz)
Barcelona (Whit Stillman)

The OOP list this week has a few more Warner titles that seem like they may go to Criterion:

Magnificent Ambersons (Orson Welles)
The Asphalt Jungle (John Huston)
A Face in the Crowd (Elia Kazan)
Klute (Alan Pakula)
Day for Night (Francois Truffaut)
Before Sunset (Richard Linklater)
Cat People (Jacques Tourneur) Both the individual Cat People and the Val Lewton box are officially discontinued this week.
Before Sunrise (Richard Linklater)
The only titles left from this list. Ambersons, Klute and A Face in the Crowd.
Now we (seemingly) wait for Klute and A Face in the Crowd...

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#712 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu May 31, 2018 11:41 pm

Local Hero and Altered States are on Criterion Channel. Any chance for those?

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#713 Post by Omensetter » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:15 am

Those seem as good bets as any. I'm team Zabriskie Point myself. It's really hard to go wrong with their catalogue, but then they opted for The In-Laws and Woman of the Year. I heard murmurings of 42nd Street in another thread----why not a Busby box? Maybe Minnelli? The Best Years of our Lives, surely. And so forth until you end up on a miracle of a film you didn't even realize you knew you wanted (The Breaking Point).

I'm hoping The Wild Bunch in September will set off another straight year of a Warner a month like the below list. Perhaps Ambersons in October and Bringing Up Baby in November.

02/16 --- The Emigrants/The New Land
04/16 --- Barcelona
07/16 --- The In-Laws
07/16 --- The New World
09/16 --- Cat People
10/16 --- McCabe & Mrs. Miller
11/16 --- Akira Kurosawa's Dreams
12/16 --- The Asphalt Jungle
02/17 --- Before Sunrise / Mildred Pierce
03/17 --- Blowup
04/17 --- Woman of the Year
06/17 --- They Live by Night
07/17 --- Lost in America
08/17 --- The Breaking Point
10/17 --- Barry Lyndon
11/17 --- The Philadelphia Story

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#714 Post by swo17 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:34 am

Omensetter wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:15 am
Maybe Minnelli?
The only rational explanation for some of WAC's most recent BD announcements

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#715 Post by Minkin » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:50 am

Didn't A Face in the Crowd end up with a different company than WB in the past few years? I seem to recall reading somewhere that WB didn't have the rights anymore, so people were wondering where it ended up. But, maybe I'm just imagining things.

We also have this secondary list of WB DVDs that went OOP:

Round Midnight
The Roaring Twenties
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid
O Lucky Man
Lone Star
Captain Blood
Mean Streets
Scaramouche
The Cameraman
Freaks
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The Philadelphia Story
Barry Lyndon

Hedwig & The Angry Inch - confirmed
Death in Venice - confirmed
Bringing Up Baby - possibly confirmed
Arsenic and Old Lace - possibly confirmed

Scarecrow - WB Archive released

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Have there been any other suspicious WB OOP titles - than the ones listed above? I just checked WBshop and the following don't show up:

Swing Time
Adam's Rib
A Night at the Opera
Show Boat
King Solomon's Mines (Criterion owns the '37 version, so it would make for a great pairing)

I also find it strange that WB didn't include Horror of Dracula or Quatermass and the Pit in their Hammer collection.
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#716 Post by okcmaxk » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:04 am

Minkin wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:50 am
Have there been any other suspicious WB OOP titles - than the ones listed above? I just checked WBshop and the following don't show up:

Swing Time
Adam's Rib
A Night at the Opera
Show Boat
King Solomon's Mines (Criterion owns the '37 version, so it would make for a great pairing)
After Hours and Lone Star don’t show up on WBShop either, if that’s indicative of both being OOP.

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#717 Post by senseabove » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:16 am

Omensetter wrote:
Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:15 am
Those seem as good bets as any. I'm team Zabriskie Point myself. It's really hard to go wrong with their catalogue, but then they opted for The In-Laws and Woman of the Year. I heard murmurings of 42nd Street in another thread----why not a Busby box? Maybe Minnelli? The Best Years of our Lives, surely. And so forth until you end up on a miracle of a film you didn't even realize you knew you wanted (The Breaking Point).

I'm hoping The Wild Bunch in September will set off another straight year of a Warner a month like the below list. Perhaps Ambersons in October and Bringing Up Baby in November.
SpoilerShow
02/16 --- The Emigrants/The New Land
04/16 --- Barcelona
07/16 --- The In-Laws
07/16 --- The New World
09/16 --- Cat People
10/16 --- McCabe & Mrs. Miller
11/16 --- Akira Kurosawa's Dreams
12/16 --- The Asphalt Jungle
02/17 --- Before Sunrise / Mildred Pierce
03/17 --- Blowup
04/17 --- Woman of the Year
06/17 --- They Live by Night
07/17 --- Lost in America
08/17 --- The Breaking Point
10/17 --- Barry Lyndon
11/17 --- The Philadelphia Story
The murmurings of 42nd St, I think, were just a reboot phantom page, now gone, that folks suspected was only for Filmstruck anyway. A Busby box would be wonderful, though, and I expect it'd be the best way for Warners and Criterion to sell the later Berkeley/Gold Diggers movies.

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#718 Post by FrauBlucher » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:01 am

I think I am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang is also on Criterion's radar and a film that's in their wheel house. Plus, the DVD has been OOP for a while. And during the era of the phantom page Mervyn LeRoy did have one.

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#719 Post by jwd5275 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:40 am

flyonthewall2983 wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 11:41 pm
Local Hero and Altered States are on Criterion Channel. Any chance for those?
Local Hero is indeed oop.

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#720 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:00 am

Again, it's worth remembering that many, many, many WB titles have gone out of print and the studio is gradually adding them back to the Archive as MODs, so this doesn't necessarily mean anything as it could just be a while til they get around to a given title

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#721 Post by Noiradelic » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:08 pm

Has there been a specific rumor about The Wild Bunch? Because I don't think WB's ready to let go of that and Mean Streets just yet.

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#722 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:16 pm

The Oiled Bunch newsletter clue

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#723 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:20 pm

Did we speculate at all that might be a clue for There Will Be Blood by any chance?

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#724 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:21 pm

The Wild Bunch definitely needs a new scan. I posted about this elsewhere in the forum, but during Lincoln Center's fairly recent Peckinpah retrospective, they projected a good 35mm print of the '90s re-release of the "director's cut." After watching that screening, I went home and put on the Blu-Ray disc, and the transfer looked incredibly dated, like an "early HD video" look with that crummy detail and texture. A lot better than VHS, but nothing that could be called "film-like."

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#725 Post by dwk » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:51 pm

We can cross Pink Flamingos off the list of possible Criterion titles
Warner Brothers called me yesterday. They’re doing Pink Flamingos again. And who would’ve ever thought that Warner Brothers would distribute Pink Flamingos?

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