Criterion and Sony

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Re: Criterion and Sony

#201 Post by Feego » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:38 am

Does anyone know anything about the possibility of seeing Sally Potter's "Orlando" make it in the collection? The bare-bones Sony DVD is out of print, and Criterion needs more female directors. Also, I'd love to see this on Blu.

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#202 Post by Ashirg » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:51 am

And they can use extras from Artificial Eye's 2-discer. Some very nice features there, but image quality is not very good.

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#203 Post by Feego » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:30 am

Ashirg wrote:And they can use extras from Artificial Eye's 2-discer. Some very nice features there, but image quality is not very good.
It appears Artificial Eye is re-releasing their edition. The package claims that it is "digitally remastered," but how good it will look remains to be seen. I don't know if it will have anything more than what the older edition had, but I would love to have some features that focused on Virginia Woolf's novel.

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#204 Post by ianungstad » Thu May 13, 2010 11:36 pm

Boy, they sure seem to be spreading these Columbia titles out thin. I wonder if they even licensed that many films from Columbia.

I don't remember if it's already been mentioned in this thread butThe L Shaped Room seems like a likely candidate to me. British new wave classic, never been released in North America. Doesn't really fit into any "set" that Columbia can toss together. Would be a nice release! I have my fingers crossed!

I would also love either Criterion or Sony to rerelease Fat City with the restored print that made it's way around the rep. houses a year or so back.

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#205 Post by FerdinandGriffon » Thu May 13, 2010 11:52 pm

ianungstad wrote:I would also love either Criterion or Sony to rerelease Fat City with the restored print that made it's way around the rep. houses a year or so back.
That would be incredible. Can't see Sony getting around to releasing this on Blu, but a Criterion release would be a dream.

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#206 Post by ianungstad » Sat May 15, 2010 8:10 pm

I wouldn't mind Criterion releasing a special edition of Spike Jonze's Adaptation if they are licensing from Sony Pictures now. (I guess this is a separate deal from the the Columbia titles?) Sony were going to do a special edition years ago but that never materialized and the barebones superbit disc is all that's available.

The Sony discs of Satyajit Ray's APU trilogy went out of print. I wonder if Sony really lost the rights or they still have them and licensed the titles to Criterion and put their releases OOP. Criterion was non-committal/evasive about the Apu films on Facebook when they were generously answering questions last fall.

Maybe they could license Antonioni's The Passenger, port over the commentary tracks and include some small new extra and charge twice the price!

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#207 Post by dad1153 » Sat May 15, 2010 10:33 pm

^^^ Doesn't Nicholson own the rights/negative of "The Passenger" and Sony just licensed it from him for the 2005 revival and eventual DVD release? If this is going to make it to the collection it would have to go through Jack, wouldn't it?

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#208 Post by Jeff » Sat May 15, 2010 10:54 pm

dad1153 wrote:Doesn't Nicholson own the rights/negative of "The Passenger" and Sony just licensed it from him for the 2005 revival and eventual DVD release?
That's correct.

The sell sheets for August do indeed indicate that Crumb has been licensed from Sony Pictures Entertainment so, theoretically, SPC titles are now in play.

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#209 Post by ianungstad » Sat May 15, 2010 11:10 pm

I hope it's not like the Focus deal which seems like a string of vanity projects for minor films by trendy directors. The FOCUS deal has produced pretty meager fruit so far. (In fact I would say Monsoon Wedding and Last Days of Disco were easily the two worst releases from last year)

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#210 Post by jaredsap » Sun May 16, 2010 5:42 am

ianungstad wrote:I hope it's not like the Focus deal which seems like a string of vanity projects for minor films by trendy directors.
Who would call REPULSION a minor film? This forum elected it the fifth best Criterion release of 2009 (and the second best single film release). I also think CRUMB is a major film, but I understand why that release has disappointed some given the strength of the extant Sony edition.

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#211 Post by CSM126 » Sun May 16, 2010 7:54 am

Jeff wrote:theoretically, SPC titles are now in play.
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#212 Post by colinr0380 » Sun May 16, 2010 9:29 am

dad1153 wrote:^^^ Doesn't Nicholson own the rights/negative of "The Passenger" and Sony just licensed it from him for the 2005 revival and eventual DVD release? If this is going to make it to the collection it would have to go through Jack, wouldn't it?
Nicholson did narrate the extracts from Antonioni's writings along with giving some of his recollections of working with him on The Passenger on Criterion's DVD of L'Avventura, so they've obviously approached him before!

But unless they were going to do it on Blu-Ray or something like that, there does not seem to be any pressing urge for Criterion to re-release The Passenger at present.

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#213 Post by ianungstad » Sun May 16, 2010 10:07 am

jaredsap wrote:
ianungstad wrote:I hope it's not like the Focus deal which seems like a string of vanity projects for minor films by trendy directors.
Who would call REPULSION a minor film? This forum elected it the fifth best Criterion release of 2009 (and the second best single film release). I also think CRUMB is a major film, but I understand why that release has disappointed some given the strength of the extant Sony edition.
Oh Repulsion is fantastic. I was referring more to the potential films from SPC. (Which seem to be a seperate licensing agreement anyways) Crumb as a film is great too...I'm just hoping that if there are more SPC films in the works, the next batch isn't Squid and the Whale, In the Company of Men, a "new" cut pf Crouching Tiger, etc. The Focus deal seems to be going down that route and I think Criterion is worse off for it, though every film has both supporters and detractors.

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#214 Post by ianungstad » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:32 pm

Crazy.

I confirmed the rumor about the New Hollywood boxset with an individual I know who works at Criterion. They were surprised that the Criterion Cast website was able to leak the story as Criterion has been keeping the set a well guarded secret.

The set includes the films Five Easy Pieces/ Head/ King of Marvin Gardens/ The Last Picture Show/ Easy Rider/ A Safe Place/ Drive, He Said

I have no idea the circumstances that lead Sony/Columbia to license the box to Criterion. It seems very bizarre to me as Columbia has been on a great run as of late, producing a lot of fantastic in house boxsets. These are also pretty major titles and you think they would want them for themselves.

I sent an email to Mike Schlesinger at Columbia to see if he would reply and this was what he said : even if true, it doesn't mean we've lost the rights--it merely means we sub-licensed the set to Criterion.

FYI, my source at Criterion also confirmed the rumor about the Universal film Design for Living. Which is great news! More Lubitsch in the collection! Yay.

It seems almost like the laserdisc days again.

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#215 Post by Finch » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:43 pm

Ian, could your source confirm if the films will be available in the set only or if CC would consider stand-alone releases as well? I'd much rather go for Last Picture Show and Five Easy Pieces individually.

PS.: Good to see Design confirmed. Probably going to be something along the lines of their MAKE WAY disc (would be nice if they revisited Trouble in Paradise and released it on Blu also).

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#216 Post by ianungstad » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:58 pm

I tried to get more specific details but my source at Criterion wouldn't do more than confirm that the story ran on the criterion cast website was factual. I don't think they even wanted to do that, as I'm sure Becker/Turrell will be on the warpath trying to find out who leaked the story to Criterion Cast, if they're not already.

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#217 Post by Jeff » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:59 pm

:shock: I hadn't heard this rumor yet. It certainly explains why the Columbia set seemed to be indefinitely delayed. I'm surprised that Columbia wanted to license these too, but that Wacky C branding may move enough extra sets that their royalty payments from Criterion outweighed their own margins. Or maybe Rafelson, Schneider, Nicholson pushed for it?

CriterionCast says there will be a Blu version of the set and that they will not be available individually (note to Criterion: please do not put all these films by different directors into one giant, stupid digipak -- individual plastic cases, please, so I can unbox). These would not be Blu if Sony were doing it themselves, so that's fantastic news. Sony had already been working on a number of supplements for these, but I'm sure Criterion will add their own too. Hopefully this isn't a Benjamin Button deal with Criterion putting the C on Sony's already completed set.

So many questions:

• Will the old Boggy commentary from the laserdisc of The Last Picture Show finally surface? Will they include the Sony DVD commentary too? Theatrical and director's cuts? The Sony documentary?

• Will the Dennis Hopper commentary and documentary from Sony's recent Blu-ray of Easy Rider be included?

• Will they be able to include Who is Henry Jaglom?

• Will they be able to snag significant involvement from Jack Nicholson, who either wrote, directed or starred in six of these seven films?

• Will Head finally be released at 1.85? Will they include the pilot episode of The Monkees? Will this guy spontaneously combust when he hears about this?

• Was this a one-off deal, or does it mean that Criterion licensed another round of Columbia titles? Could some other titles that Sony restored and was theoretically planning on doing themselves have been farmed out? La Vérité, Sandra, Man's Castle, Mickey One, Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion?

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Re: Criterion and Sony

#218 Post by domino harvey » Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:28 pm

The Last Picture Show on Blu-ray?! Be still, my heart

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#219 Post by perkizitore » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:00 pm

Very valid points Jeff, but since i already own the Easy Rider blu-ray i hope Criterion creates some new extras on top of the Sony ones (very unlikely i know) [-o<

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#220 Post by Jeff » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:07 pm

perkizitore wrote:since i already own the Easy Rider blu-ray i hope Criterion creates some new extras on top of the Sony ones
I certainly hope so too, and I imagine they will. I'd just like to see them include the Sony extras (especially the Hopper commentary) to eliminate the need to own two versions of this. When this was coming from Sony, it would have probably had an MSRP of $79.95 like the Fuller set of the same size. I expect the Criterion set will have an MSRP somewhere between $124.95 and $149.95, so they'd better add some extra special Criterion style goodies.

I hope the cover of the box set includes this pic of Rafelson and Schneider.
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#221 Post by Roger Ryan » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:07 pm

Finally...finally? Wasn't it TIME magazine that announced THE NEW HOLLYWOOD set as a "hot item" last October?! I kept thinking that the only consolation to waiting so long would be that Sony would be embarrassed to release it only on DVD and that we might get a Blu-ray version. Looks like I can start holding my breath again.

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#222 Post by MoonlitKnight » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:37 pm

Mr Finch wrote:Ian, could your source confirm if the films will be available in the set only or if CC would consider stand-alone releases as well? I'd much rather go for Last Picture Show and Five Easy Pieces individually.

PS.: Good to see Design confirmed. Probably going to be something along the lines of their MAKE WAY disc (would be nice if they revisited Trouble in Paradise and released it on Blu also).
They better be. I already have "Easy Rider" on Blu... and I think I'd only want "Drive, He Said" and "A Safe Place" on plain ol' DVD. :-s

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Re: Criterion and Sony

#223 Post by Brian C » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:13 pm

Releasing those as a box-set only would be a very strange decision, since at least three of those titles (PIECES, PICTURE SHOW, and EASY RIDER) would have more mass-market potential than 95% of Criterion's stand-alone releases.

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#224 Post by domino harvey » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:29 pm

Sounds like it was a provision of the deal. I wonder if Sony is funding their great output of boxed sets thanks in part of Criterion's licensing $$$$$ (which had to have been astronomical for a coup like this)

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#225 Post by Brian C » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:51 pm

That doesn't sound like much of a coup for Criterion if that was part of the deal. It sounds good, because those are some relatively high-profile titles, but that sounds like a pretty unwieldy box set to me. Unlike other Criterion boxes, these are films that are only very tenuously related to each other, and there are bound to be a lot more people who only want a few films than there are with other sets.

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