Criterion Random Speculation Vol.1
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- Dylan
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- ola t
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I haven't been able to locate a complete list of the introductions. They were produced by Swedish Television for a 2003 Bergman retrospective which included those 11 whose intros are on the F&A disc plus Prison, Dreams, Persona and the TV series version of Scenes from a Marriage. I know that an introduction was made for Persona (it will be on the upcoming Swedish DVD; English subs unlikely) and I'm pretty sure that no introduction was made for Scenes from a Marriage. Introductions may or may not have been recorded for Prison and Dreams -- I just haven't been able to find out.
- ellipsis7
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Very interesting. So the PERSONA introduction was specifically excluded from the F&A extra disc, presumably because the CC did not want to promote a rival's product... On that basis it could maybe be deduced that the 3 intros in question would not be there unless, 1) CC was sure noone else was releasing these films on DVD in the US so included them purely for academic purposes 2) CC expected to release these titles sometime in the future, and chose to promote them in advance...
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I can't imagine that being a problem. It's not like they've already got a version out that the MGM is beating, and there are countless trailers and promos on other releases (The Killers, Pickup on South Street, Fiend Without A Face, Hard Boiled) for other films Criterion didn't release. Very odd.ellipsis7 wrote:Very interesting. So the PERSONA introduction was specifically excluded from the F&A extra disc, presumably because the CC did not want to promote a rival's product...
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"Sawdust and Tinsel" was not produced by Svensk Filmindustri but by Sandrew-Metronome (the only major work by Bergman not produced by SF) - and I don't believe Criterion currently has any rights to titles from their library, and I bet this bugs the hell out of them, hence their no-replies. Sandrew Metronome has released "Sawdust" on DVD themselves (boasting a fine transfer) in Scandinavia only(no English subs). That would be region 2. For those interested in purchasing this release, here's a link. Finally, this title was once available in the US on laser disc with English subs.
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- milk114
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Just finished watching Tanner 88 for the first time got me wondering what other TV shows would fulfill Criterion's mission?
I would argue Johnny Steccato for the selfish reason that I've heard its great but have never had a chance to see it. Cassavetes as a P.I.? fantastic! Would play nicely off the box set and any other releases they could wrangle.
at the moment I can't think of any others, hah! my brain blanked. But Im sure someone who's seen a lot more tv than myself could name a few worthwhile contenders.
I would argue Johnny Steccato for the selfish reason that I've heard its great but have never had a chance to see it. Cassavetes as a P.I.? fantastic! Would play nicely off the box set and any other releases they could wrangle.
at the moment I can't think of any others, hah! my brain blanked. But Im sure someone who's seen a lot more tv than myself could name a few worthwhile contenders.
- TomReagan
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Two I would love to see included: Campion's Portrait of a Lady (currently OOP via USA) and Weir's Fearless (one of the great unsung films of the early 90's, and one I have been suggesting to Mulvaney for years). If Criterion is already (?) working with Campion I suspect / hope this may be a distinct possibility, and they have already shown some love for Weir.
In any event, Fearless is screaming for a respectful treatment on DVD.
In any event, Fearless is screaming for a respectful treatment on DVD.
- Gregory
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Every year Criterion releases several DVDs of titles from their Laserdisc catalog. They're getting close to running out of eligible titles, but here are some that have not been released on R1 DVD yet and might be obtainable by Criterion:
3 Penny Opera
Burmese Harp
Dodes' ka-den
Earrings of Madame de...
F for Fake
Evergreen
Fallen Idol
Fires on the Plain
Forbidden Games
Green for Danger
F for Fake is a strong rumor, and there have also been rumors in the past about 3 Penny Opera, Burmese Harp, Dodes' ka-den and Fires on the Plain. No rumors about Madame de.. or Forbidden Games as far I know, but I'd sure love to see them release those in 2005.
3 Penny Opera
Burmese Harp
Dodes' ka-den
Earrings of Madame de...
F for Fake
Evergreen
Fallen Idol
Fires on the Plain
Forbidden Games
Green for Danger
F for Fake is a strong rumor, and there have also been rumors in the past about 3 Penny Opera, Burmese Harp, Dodes' ka-den and Fires on the Plain. No rumors about Madame de.. or Forbidden Games as far I know, but I'd sure love to see them release those in 2005.
- milk114
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There a quite a few documentaries in the collection (interesting that tehy don't link Tokyo Olympiad with them)
http://www.criterion.com/asp/connections.asp?id=57
What documentaries are out there that would fit Criterion's mission?
In another thread someone mentioned Barbara Kopple... Harlan County USA would be an interesting choice, especially with some acknowledgement of why anyone'd want to make a fictionalized account for tv. The VHS is out of print from First Run Features
Also, any Frederick Wiseman would be fantastic, especially, of course, Titicut Follies. I'm sure by this point the any residual bad feelings from the filming could be cleared up, being 37 years and all (in other words people shown on screen are likely to be dead by now). But I doubt if Wiseman wants to give up control of his works, or the $500 per cassette.
http://www.zipporah.com/sandr.html
I'm sure there are more obscure documentaries and documentarians out there that I've not heard of who would work with as a Criterion release. Any ideas?
http://www.criterion.com/asp/connections.asp?id=57
What documentaries are out there that would fit Criterion's mission?
In another thread someone mentioned Barbara Kopple... Harlan County USA would be an interesting choice, especially with some acknowledgement of why anyone'd want to make a fictionalized account for tv. The VHS is out of print from First Run Features
Also, any Frederick Wiseman would be fantastic, especially, of course, Titicut Follies. I'm sure by this point the any residual bad feelings from the filming could be cleared up, being 37 years and all (in other words people shown on screen are likely to be dead by now). But I doubt if Wiseman wants to give up control of his works, or the $500 per cassette.
http://www.zipporah.com/sandr.html
I'm sure there are more obscure documentaries and documentarians out there that I've not heard of who would work with as a Criterion release. Any ideas?
- Ashirg
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Forbidden Games
What an incredible film! I just watched it this weekend on Korean DVD. It's taken from Studio Canal restoration and looks very good. Unfortunately, the picture was squeezed a little (thankfully, I was able to tweak X-Y scaling) and I cannot access extras from the menu. They include alternative opening and ending (no subtitles), 2 trailers and silent outtakes and I played them on my computer. It was only $4, so no complaints, but I'll buy Criterion release in a heartbeat if they release it.
What an incredible film! I just watched it this weekend on Korean DVD. It's taken from Studio Canal restoration and looks very good. Unfortunately, the picture was squeezed a little (thankfully, I was able to tweak X-Y scaling) and I cannot access extras from the menu. They include alternative opening and ending (no subtitles), 2 trailers and silent outtakes and I played them on my computer. It was only $4, so no complaints, but I'll buy Criterion release in a heartbeat if they release it.
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- Gregory
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In addition to those I listed in the previous page (and the already rumored or confirmed Jour de Fete, Naked, Tales of Hoffman, This Sporting Life, Ugetsu), Criterion might release some of these from their LD catalog:
Life of Oharu
Magician
Makioka Sisters
Miracle in Milan
Osaka Elegy
Sansho the Bailiff
Shoot the Piano Player
Soft Skin
Sword of Doom
Three Cases of Murder
Vengeance is Mine
Virgin Spring
Waltz of the Torreadors
I guess they're not as close to running out of eligible titles as I initially thought.
Life of Oharu
Magician
Makioka Sisters
Miracle in Milan
Osaka Elegy
Sansho the Bailiff
Shoot the Piano Player
Soft Skin
Sword of Doom
Three Cases of Murder
Vengeance is Mine
Virgin Spring
Waltz of the Torreadors
I guess they're not as close to running out of eligible titles as I initially thought.
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I doubt this is coming anytime soon. Criterion is taking an awful lots of time restoring the Mizoguchi stuff and don't seem entirely sure that Ugetsu is going to return their investment yet. So we'll probably have to wait and see how that does, then we'll probably see Sansho and 47 Ronin.Gregory wrote:Sansho the Bailiff
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Ok, for speculating on possible releases timed to theatrical films?
How about a 12 Monkeys/La Jetee pack for November to coincide with Brothers Grimm? Or maybe a later one to coincide with the DVD release?
How about a Casino/Italianamerican 2 disc Scorsese set to coincide with the DVD release of The Aviator?
How about a 12 Monkeys/La Jetee pack for November to coincide with Brothers Grimm? Or maybe a later one to coincide with the DVD release?
How about a Casino/Italianamerican 2 disc Scorsese set to coincide with the DVD release of The Aviator?
- zedz
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I'm afraid I don't see the connection between Casino & Italianamerican, but I'd love to see an edition of Scorsese's documentaries / shorts (especially the hilarious American Boy: "Break the case!")DrewReiber wrote:Ok, for speculating on possible releases timed to theatrical films?
How about a Casino/Italianamerican 2 disc Scorsese set to coincide with the DVD release of The Aviator?
- Buttery Jeb
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According to the New York Film Forum's website, they're going to be showing "American Boy" in January. No info yet, but it might be as part of the "Three by Scorsese" or "Five by Scorsese" packages that usually make the rounds.I'm afraid I don't see the connection between Casino & Italianamerican, but I'd love to see an edition of Scorsese's documentaries / shorts (especially the hilarious American Boy: "Break the case!")
http://www.filmforum.com/films/taxidriver.html
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Simply that they are Scorsese films and sometimes Criterion is willing to release the films and documentaries of filmmakers that are not necessarily related to get them out (Eyes Without a Face/Blood of the Beast). I highly doubt, especially considering how long Criterion waited to get ahold of Fitzcarraldo to no avail, that they will risk releasing Scorsese's documentaries on their own. They'll probably bundle them or something into a box, that would be my guess.zedz wrote:I'm afraid I don't see the connection between Casino & Italianamerican, but I'd love to see an edition of Scorsese's documentaries / shorts (especially the hilarious American Boy: "Break the case!")DrewReiber wrote:Ok, for speculating on possible releases timed to theatrical films?
How about a Casino/Italianamerican 2 disc Scorsese set to coincide with the DVD release of The Aviator?
- Jeff
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Apparently, these were announced a couple of weeks ago, but I don't really pay nearly as much attention to region 2 as I should. From The Digital Bits:
Fox titles released/announced by Criterion thus far:
Naked Lunch
Pickup on South Street
Three Women
The Leopard
Kagemusha
Night and the City
Thieves Highway
We also know that they've got at least one (probably three) Ford titles, Unfaithfully Yours and Beyond the Valley of the Dolls on the way. That's twelve right there. C'mon Criterion, ante up for another round from Fox.
Now, the interesting part is, that except for the Hellmans, every damn one of those titles was produced by 20th Century Fox. Clearly, they have put together a package of titles which they don't have an interest in releasing themselves. Criterion may not be able to do all of these. You will recall that Peter Staddon said that (paraphrasing) they had licensed "about a dozen" titles to Criterion and would have happily parted with many others, but that Criterion has a limited capacity. I suppose I'm afraid that the above list contains the "many others" that Criterion couldn't handle. Anchor Bay is now a Region 1 Fox licensee too, and they could pick up many of these. I'd be happy to let them have the two Donen pictures for example. It would be a shame though, if Criterion couldn't work The Girl Can't Help It into their schedule (and even better - a double bill with Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?). And do I really need to mention Bigger Than Life again? It's available, it's great, and it's never been released on home video before. A collection without Nicholas Ray is really no collection at all. Anyway, besides those two gems, there is a title each from Siodmak, Kazan, and Tourneur -- all of which are welcome in CC.In Region 2 news. Carlotta's plans for 2005 include a dozen or more titles. Kiss of Death (1947), Night and the City (1950), and Cry of the City (1948) will appear in July either singly or in a box set. Anne of the Indies (1951), The Wild River (1960), and Bigger Than Life (1956) will appear in August either singly or in a box set. November will bring The Shooting(1967) and Ride in the Whirlwind (1965) either singly or in a box set, as well as Bedazzled and Two for the Road (both 1967) either singly or in a box set and The Girl Can't Help It (1956).
Fox titles released/announced by Criterion thus far:
Naked Lunch
Pickup on South Street
Three Women
The Leopard
Kagemusha
Night and the City
Thieves Highway
We also know that they've got at least one (probably three) Ford titles, Unfaithfully Yours and Beyond the Valley of the Dolls on the way. That's twelve right there. C'mon Criterion, ante up for another round from Fox.