Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3426 Post by domino harvey » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:48 pm

I imagine Waters' movies sell very well, I doubt you'll have to wait too long for another. Then again, noirs sell well and Criterion hardly releases any of those anymore, so who knows

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#3427 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:07 pm

I could see a Desperate Living release, which is probably the last one I'd really want. Hairspray would be the obvious choice to sell well.

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#3428 Post by dda1996a » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:00 pm

Please no Desperate Living. One of the worst movies I've ever seen. Which fits almost all the other Waters films ive seen

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#3429 Post by swo17 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:06 pm

If you wanted to hurt his feelings, you'd have called it one of the best movies you've ever seen

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3430 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:19 pm

If you don't like Waters, you don't like Waters, and that's hardly something anybody can hold against you! I'm mixed on his work and any pleasures I find in them are because they hit an Achilles' heal of ridiculous humor and a satirical embrace of the moral model against marginalized populations, made by those populations, that is so cheeky and self-aware in its absurdity I can't help but be amused. Multiple Maniacs is far and away by favorite, which is not an opinion I hear often, and while Desperate Living is hardly going to win you over if you haven't liked Waters' other work, the opening 5-10 minutes are so insane in their social inappropriate commentary, that this chunk is on the shortlist of his directorial highlights.

I had the pleasure of seeing the new restoration of Multiple Maniacs at the Coolidge Corner theatre a few years ago and watch at least half the theatre walk out at various intervals. This was the restoration shown just a month or so after Chimes at Midnight so the regular Janus/Criterion typically elderly crowd probably saw the company and went in blind, which is likely something they never did again.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3431 Post by senseabove » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:30 pm

Looks like Criterion picked up rights to Jane B. par Agnes V. after the Cinelicious disc went OoP: https://www.sfmoma.org/event/jane-b-par-agnes-v/

Presumably they also picked up Kung-Fu Master, though it is (not very surprisingly) absent from both institutions participating in that retrospective.

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#3432 Post by kcota17 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:31 pm

At long last, Come and See has been added to Janus’s website.

http://www.janusfilms.com/films/1968


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#3434 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:38 pm

kcota17 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:31 pm
At long last, Come and See has been added to Janus’s website.

http://www.janusfilms.com/films/1968
Those stills look absolutely stunning

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#3435 Post by black&huge » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:43 pm

Come and See, Great Escape and hopeful for After Hours, Chungking Express and Pierrot le Fou reissues, Eyes Wide Shut and a Fellini box.... Criterion 2020 could be absolutely insane

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#3436 Post by TwoTecs » Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:46 pm

Hopefully Warner does Eyes Wide Shut. They did the 4K restoration for it.

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#3437 Post by swo17 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:10 pm

black&huge wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:43 pm
Come and See, Great Escape and hopeful for After Hours, Chungking Express and Pierrot le Fou reissues, Eyes Wide Shut and a Fellini box.... Criterion 2020 could be absolutely insane
Frankly I'm a lot more excited for Indicator to release a bunch of films I've never heard of before

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Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3438 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:39 pm

Now folks can start guessing Come and See each month

I can’t wait to see all the Fellini 4k restorations. Juliet of the Spirits should look magnificent

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#3439 Post by Luke M » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:01 pm

TwoTecs wrote:Hopefully Warner does Eyes Wide Shut. They did the 4K restoration for it.
Being able to get $10 4K releases on Black Friday hasn't quite made me a converter but I think I'd prefer a Warner 4K to a Criterion blu-ray.

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#3440 Post by jedgeco » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:17 am

Luke M wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:01 pm
TwoTecs wrote:Hopefully Warner does Eyes Wide Shut. They did the 4K restoration for it.
Being able to get $10 4K releases on Black Friday hasn't quite made me a converter but I think I'd prefer a Warner 4K to a Criterion blu-ray.
At last count I'd purchased Eyes Wide Shut in 5 different releases, so, sure, a 4K disc, why not?

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3441 Post by barryconvex » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:54 am

senseabove wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:30 pm
Looks like Criterion picked up rights to Jane B. par Agnes V. after the Cinelicious disc went OoP: https://www.sfmoma.org/event/jane-b-par-agnes-v/

Presumably they also picked up Kung-Fu Master, though it is (not very surprisingly) absent from both institutions participating in that retrospective.
Great news! Even though I own the Cinelicious blu I'm always happy when Criterion adds more Varda. Hopefully they obtained the rights to Kung-Fu Master, one of her best films and maybe the best film ever about an adult woman smitten with a teenage boy.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3442 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:11 pm

This was Eddie Muller's reply to someone on twitter when they were tweeting about Disney holding back the Fox catalog from theaters.
eddie muller wrote:It gives Disney a huge catalog from which to pull remakes while burying the original films. Not kidding. I know writers and directors who have been approached to “pick a project from the catalog.” For a new generation, the original will not be available for comparison.
Makes me think that Fox, before Disney deal was finalized, may have licensed titles out to Criterion that they may not have been licensed out before. Such as All About Eve. Hoping there are other significant titles otherwise once the Fox discs disappear so will the films, unless Criterion has them.

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#3443 Post by domino harvey » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:15 pm

This is how Hollywood worked ~80 years ago: release the remake, bury the original (keep in mind the 1932 Jekyll & Hyde was once thought lost because MGM destroyed every copy when they released the 1940s version). Absolutely horrifying prospect, especially given the vastness and richness of the Fox studio era catalog

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#3444 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:53 pm

Oh yeah, that's true, never thought about that. Scary

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#3445 Post by soundchaser » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:25 pm

Looks like the Salesman page has been updated with some HD pictures and a new clip.

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#3446 Post by agnamaracs » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:29 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:15 pm
This is how Hollywood worked ~80 years ago: release the remake, bury the original (keep in mind the 1932 Jekyll & Hyde was once thought lost because MGM destroyed every copy when they released the 1940s version).
Ditto Gaslight, and RKO tried to erase Le jour se leve in favor of The Long Night. It's an absolutely frightening prospect that a major corporation can, and may, hold our cultural heritage hostage. But hey, Disney's gotta make that money somehow, right?

Maybe they can remake Star Wars and end the version debate once and for all...

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3447 Post by phoenix474 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:34 pm

soundchaser wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:25 pm
Looks like the Salesman page has been updated with some HD pictures and a new clip.
Also mentions of a new transfer, new extras and a new cover

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#3448 Post by Never Cursed » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:38 pm


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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3449 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:01 pm

Wow. What a month! And Leave Her to Heaven out of the blue. This confirms the Fox vaults have opened wide to Criterion. The only question is who do we have to thank, Fox before the sale or Disney after.

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Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#3450 Post by movielocke » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:06 pm

missed opportunity on Leave Her to Heaven to maybe talk about the restoration / history of Fox junking their color negatives.

On the other hand, this license may predate the Disney acquisition, and Disney no longer issues approvals on bonus content, of titles licensed out before their takeover, so it was this or nothin. Maybe they'll drop the price to 29.95 and 19.95 since it's basically a bare bones release?

or the license is gonna expire quick and they had to get it out now, with no time for bonus content creation?

Unrelated, this is the first month I can remember where I have already seen all the new releases.

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