18 Passenger

Discuss DVDs and Blu-rays released by Second Run and the films on them.
Message
Author
rs98762001
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:04 pm

#26 Post by rs98762001 » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:48 am

Fantastic news, and as good an explanation as could be hoped for.

User avatar
What A Disgrace
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:34 pm
Contact:

#27 Post by What A Disgrace » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:40 pm

And, here it is, according to Play.com.

'The Last Pictures': a documentary on the film and Andrzej Munk, made in 2001 by the assistant director on Passenger Andrzej Brzozowski

User avatar
What A Disgrace
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:34 pm
Contact:

#28 Post by What A Disgrace » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:42 am

...and now, delayed until August 28.

User avatar
What A Disgrace
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:34 pm
Contact:

#29 Post by What A Disgrace » Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:33 pm

Final details according to Amazon.

Released for the first time on DVD this is one of the most audacious films ever made about the Holocaust. Regarded by critics as a lost masterpiece.
•"I can think of no other movie to compare…in the precise and harrowing of romantic beauty and terror" - New York Times Winner of Venice Film Festival and Special Award at Cannes on release.
•Andrzej Munk, the Director died during the making of the film; it was completed posthumously by colleagues.


Special Features
).•Extras include ‘The Last Pictures', a 47 minute documentary on the film and Andrzej Munk, made in 2001 by his assistant director on ‘Passenger', Andrzej Brzozowski.
•Digitally remastered and full audio restoration.
•New English subtitles.
•Booklet features essays on the film and filmmaker by academic/author Ewa Mazierska (Roman Polanksi and New European Cinema) and writer Stewart Klawans (The Nation).

User avatar
What A Disgrace
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:34 pm
Contact:

#30 Post by What A Disgrace » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:50 am

Hopefully, this is the last delay...new release is September 11.

rollotomassi
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:23 pm
Location: Kendal

#31 Post by rollotomassi » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:30 am

It isn't...play now has 25th September...so many delays you'd think Railtrack were sponsoring Second Run these days. I'm beginning to think it'll never happen...that wy if it doesn, it's a bonus...

User avatar
Bikey
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:09 am

#32 Post by Bikey » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:56 am

"I think you will find that those series of delays were a matter for the train operating companies. We just maintain the track..."

If you look back over the last year I think that you will find that we delivered 94.7% of releases on time. This is in line with the targets set by the Culture Secretary's DVD Delivery Guidelines Advisory Panel.

Passenger will be available before the end of September.

rollotomassi
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:23 pm
Location: Kendal

#33 Post by rollotomassi » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:31 pm

Fair enough, Bikey. We'll see what happens. What hasn't helped is that due to the delays re this and Teutonic we know of no future releases. We have heard The Party and the Guests and, best of all, Marketa Lazarova, are in the pipeline, but there's still nothing concrete (actual release date announcments, even if they were for January/Feb 07). I think the lack of optimism would be quenched a little if we actually had some news aboput future releases after this much cursed duo, so we were looking to the future...

User avatar
Bikey
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:09 am

#34 Post by Bikey » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:51 pm

Rollo,

Update posted:

viewtopic.php?t=5056

rollotomassi
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:23 pm
Location: Kendal

#35 Post by rollotomassi » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:03 pm

Thanks for the info, Bikey. I have been telling friends that MLazarova will probably be Jan-Feb because I know both yourselves and nostalgia.cz have been working extensively on a restoration. The caps on their site look stunning. At last I'll be able to get rid of my awful semi panned DVDR and homemade cover.

I also hope the Jancsos will improve on the recent French releases. One suggestion for the future, however, might be to look back at some early Czech stuff from Martin Fric and, best of all, Gustav Machaty. His Erotikon, Extase and From Saturday to Sunday are waiting for proper versions...

User avatar
MichaelB
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:20 pm
Location: Worthing
Contact:

#36 Post by MichaelB » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:32 am

rollotomassi wrote:One suggestion for the future, however, might be to look back at some early Czech stuff from Martin Fric and, best of all, Gustav Machaty. His Erotikon, Extase and From Saturday to Sunday are waiting for proper versions...
There's tons of Martin Fric available in the Czech Republic, virtually all of it with English subtitles. Last time I checked, I counted 23 features available in English-friendly editions, and that may well be understating the situation.

Agree about Gustav Machaty, though.

rollotomassi
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:23 pm
Location: Kendal

#37 Post by rollotomassi » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:19 pm

Yes, I know there's some Fric in the Czech Republic as I have my copies of Zeman's The Proud Princess and Menzel's Cutting it Short from there, but he should be known more over here...Machaty is long overdue...

User avatar
Bikey
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:09 am

#38 Post by Bikey » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:28 pm


User avatar
Ashirg
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:10 am
Location: Atlanta

#39 Post by Ashirg » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:37 pm


User avatar
david hare
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:01 pm
Location: WellyYeller

#40 Post by david hare » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:14 pm

I was appalled to read in the Beaver review the movie is cropped to 1.66. Passenger, like a number of Czech 60s and 70s movies was shot in anamorphic Dyaliscope for projection at 2.35!!!!

The 1.66 framing of this disc is totally wrong!!!!!.What on earth did Second Run think they were doing?

User avatar
tavernier
Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:18 pm

#41 Post by tavernier » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:49 pm

davidhare wrote:The 1.66 framing of this disc is totally wrong!!!!!.What on earth did Second Run think they were doing?
Good question....when I saw this in NYC a few years back at a Munk retro, I was blown away by the widescreen shots, as beautiful as Marienbad (also shot using the Dyaliscope process).

Oops?

User avatar
Bikey
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:09 am

#42 Post by Bikey » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:13 am

Folks,

I meant to post this here and at the website when the Passenger details went live:

Andrzej Munk's PASSENGER was originally shot in Dyaliscope in 1960/61; unfortunately, neither the film's Producers nor the Polish National Archives were able to provide us with a copy in this aspect ratio. The best copy they had available was in 1:66; we delayed the release in the hope that the producers would be able to locate and provide us with a suitable Dyaliscope version.

In the meantime,we also tracked down the documentary "The Last Pictures" made by Andrzej Brzozowski, Munk's Assistant Director on PASSENGER. The many clips of PASSENGER used in Brzozowski's documentary are also in 1:66.

After months of searching, it seemed most unlikely that the producers would locate a reasonable quality version, without burnt-in subtitles and in the original aspect ratio. With no surviving member of the production team alive to consult, we finally decided it was more appropriate to make this important film available than to withold it's release. We hope you agree.

User avatar
tavernier
Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:18 pm

#43 Post by tavernier » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:17 am

Bikey wrote:I meant to post this here and at the website when the Passenger details went live:

Andrzej Munk's PASSENGER was originally shot in Dyaliscope in 1960/61; unfortunately, neither the film's Producers nor the Polish National Archives were able to provide us with a copy in this aspect ratio. The best copy they had available was in 1:66; we delayed the release in the hope that the producers would be able to locate and provide us with a suitable Dyaliscope version.

In the meantime,we also tracked down the documentary "The Last Pictures" made by Andrzej Brzozowski, Munk's Assistant Director on PASSENGER. The many clips of PASSENGER used in Brzozowski's documentary are also in 1:66.

After months of searching, it seemed most unlikely that the producers would locate a reasonable quality version, without burnt-in subtitles and in the original aspect ratio. With no surviving member of the production team alive to consult, we finally decided it was more appropriate to make this important film available than to withold it's release. We hope you agree.
Thanks for the explanation; is this information listed anywhere on the PASSENGER disc to warn buyers? It should be.

User avatar
david hare
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:01 pm
Location: WellyYeller

#44 Post by david hare » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:51 pm

They cant have looked very hard.

The NY 90s retro season had no problem acquiring a fine quality 35mm Scope print. Added to which Second Run made no disclaimer on the packaging.

Very Shabby.

User avatar
MichaelB
Joined: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:20 pm
Location: Worthing
Contact:

#45 Post by MichaelB » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:52 pm

davidhare wrote:The NY 90s retro season had no problem acquiring a fine quality 35mm Scope print.
Were the subtitles burned in or electronically added?

User avatar
david hare
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:01 pm
Location: WellyYeller

#46 Post by david hare » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:10 pm

I wasnt there but an old friend who was accounts that the entire Polish season was supplied by Film Polski/Polish Government who went to the trouble of having the prints newly subtitled (i.e. physically burnt in, obviously.) Darryl Chin also posted his recollection of this screening at the Beaver listserv.

My point is they could do this in 1997/98, but Second Run cant get it right in 2006. The only really probelmatic title from that era now is Jerzy Kawalerowicz' Pharao which was orignally shot in 70mm and for which decent elements appear to be unavailable. (You might note Second Run's Mother Joan of the Angels is also from a very poor source. Again - this might be my age - i saw the Kawalerowicz on a limited run in Sydney late 60s and the print was pristine. Of course I keep forgetting this was nearly 40 years ago.)

User avatar
What A Disgrace
Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:34 pm
Contact:

#47 Post by What A Disgrace » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:38 am

I don't mean to add further criticism, but I do think it would be best to seek out and secure ideal, or close to ideal materials for these releases before announcing them. I'm able to bear some of the problems with your past releases (the source material for Mother Joans, the non-progressive David Holzman, the heavy combing during select scenes of The Red and the White), but not having the proper aspect ratio is, in my opinion, something that your customers would consider worth pushing a release back for, especially one as significant as this. Even if it is for a long time.

If the opportunity presents itself in the future to release this film in a better presentation, will you be able to do so?

Mine is on the way, anyway.

User avatar
tavernier
Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:18 pm

#48 Post by tavernier » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:54 am

What A Disgrace wrote:Mine is on the way, anyway.
So is mine, and I'm not looking forward to it.

User avatar
Ovader
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:56 am
Location: Canada

#49 Post by Ovader » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:12 am

Thanks to the information of this board I have cancelled my pre-order of this DVD. I will wait for a better alternative but will continue to support Secondrun with their other releases.

User avatar
Subbuteo
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:10 am
Location: Hampshire, UK

#50 Post by Subbuteo » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:04 pm

Bikey
As you can see members on this forum are passionate about film (as if you weren't aware), and clearly well informed!
It has to be said when a company such as Secondrun comes along there is jubilation as well as anticipation. Some of the titles you plan to release (have released) are much sought after by the brethren here... consequently expectations are high!
Secondrun have met those demands and if it is any consolation you have joined the pantheon of those held in high esteem on this forum. Remember both Criterion and MOC regularly receive microscopic analysis and appropriate critique.

In the case of 'Pasazerka' I must confess I share the dissapointment

Post Reply