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Re: MoC Forthcoming, Wishlist and Random Speculation

#3801 Post by What A Disgrace » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:38 pm

Ribs wrote:...does Blake Edwards not count as a Master of Cinema?
Richard Fleischer got dumped on again as well, I see.

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#3802 Post by tojoed » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:00 pm

What A Disgrace wrote:
Ribs wrote:...does Blake Edwards not count as a Master of Cinema?
Richard Fleischer got dumped on again as well, I see.
Neither of them are or were "masters of cinema", what's the problem?

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#3803 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:09 pm

The Vikings is not a masterwork of cinema either

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#3804 Post by rapta » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:15 pm

What A Disgrace wrote:
Ribs wrote:...does Blake Edwards not count as a Master of Cinema?
Richard Fleischer got dumped on again as well, I see.
Both directors are MoC-worthy in my opinion, but being 'relegated' to Eureka Classics doesn't mean they're given any less love by Eureka. Fleischer's Violent Saturday is perhaps the most MoC-worthy of those 'classics', from what I can tell.

Also, you could probably argue Mulligan was a 'master of cinema' but perhaps seeing as The Other wasn't exactly the film that made his name they decided to make it Eureka Classics.

This debate comes around every time a classic film isn't released as MoC...
FrauBlucher wrote:The Keaton box is called limited edition. I can't imagine if the boxset sells out that they will no longer be able to sell the Keaton films. Will they then sell the films individually? is there precedence going from box set to standalone editions?
Yeah, I was wondering that too. Will the separate reissues not have booklets, similar to what Arrow do with some box sets? Would be a shame to see MoC begin to shed booklets for standard issues. Alternatively, perhaps there will be some exclusive booklet material in the box set not available in the standard editions, similar to Man with a Movie Camera and The Passion of Joan of Arc?

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#3805 Post by The Elegant Dandy Fop » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:42 pm

rapta wrote:Both directors are MoC-worthy in my opinion, but being 'relegated' to Eureka Classics doesn't mean they're given any less love by Eureka. Fleischer's Violent Saturday is perhaps the most MoC-worthy of those 'classics', from what I can tell.
Violent Saturday is certainly lesser Fleischer, and I say this as someone who loves films like The New Centurions. It's a bit of a mess covered by the fact that you have an excellent cast and some great Cinemascope photography. And I feel like it would've been blasphemous to say even a decade ago, but I never found The Party to be an exceptional comedy. I felt like it was constantly mentioned as such when I was a teenager, but I feel like it was partially from the wave of nostalgia for the go-go 60s that died with Austin Powers in Goldmember. It's been a while since I seen it, but I admired the fact that it's essentially an entire film that functions similarly to the final dinner scene from Tati's Playtime, but no where near at humanistic, sweet, or just plain funny.

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#3806 Post by What A Disgrace » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:59 pm

tojoed wrote:
What A Disgrace wrote:
Ribs wrote:...does Blake Edwards not count as a Master of Cinema?
Richard Fleischer got dumped on again as well, I see.
Neither of them are or were "masters of cinema", what's the problem?
I must admit that, in the light of Edmond Goulding, Erle C. Kenton, Sydney Pollack and George Stevens, its hard to think too highly of Blake Edwards and Richard Fleischer. :roll:

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#3807 Post by lzx » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:14 am

Ribs wrote:...does Blake Edwards not count as a Master of Cinema?
Having just watched Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time, I fully endorse this decision.

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#3808 Post by Ribs » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:18 am

Is November the first time they've just straight-up not had any MoC releases at all? Eureka's got a habit of announcing things in between formal "announcement days" so it might turn out something will pop up, I guess.

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#3809 Post by Finch » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:24 am

Would seem odd for MoC to release nothing in November. Probably a separate announcement following soon. Two exciting choices for 2018 though I wish they'd decided to release the Old Dark House concurrent with Cohen for Halloween this year.

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#3810 Post by peerpee » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:20 pm

lzx wrote:
Ribs wrote:...does Blake Edwards not count as a Master of Cinema?
Having just watched Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time, I fully endorse this decision.
Have a look at Indicator's Blu-ray of Edwards' EXPERIMENT IN TERROR and you might have to remove your endorsement.

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#3811 Post by Dr Amicus » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:18 am

peerpee wrote:
lzx wrote:
Ribs wrote:...does Blake Edwards not count as a Master of Cinema?
Having just watched Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time, I fully endorse this decision.
Have a look at Indicator's Blu-ray of Edwards' EXPERIMENT IN TERROR and you might have to remove your endorsement.
When I was an undergrad at Canterbury in the late 80s, Steve Neale ran a course on Comedy Film. I didn't get on the module - had to make do with my second choice of Rossellini - but I attended some of the screenings, and I remember Neale had a very high opinion of Edwards, especially his use of wide-screen.

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#3812 Post by RobertAltman » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:06 am

Dave Kehr is also a huge admirerer, highlighting his mise-en-scene, and use of the wide-screen. Surprisnigly, he cosideres 10 to be Edward's masterpiece. I like the film, but not nearly as much as Kehr. His longform review of it, available in his book, makes a good case for the merits of the film, though.

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#3813 Post by domino harvey » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:51 pm

I had a professor I greatly respected who was in college overseas when the film criticism explosion was happening in the seventies and I remember her telling me that all of her politically-minded friends completely shunned narrative film for experimental non-narrative works with the exception of Blake Edwards, who everyone thought was the height of subversion. It bothered me then and it bothers me now to think of anyone throwing away everything but Blake Edwards!

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#3814 Post by Apperson » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:53 pm

Amazon has once again spoiled tomorrow's announcements, which in my opinion are the most exciting in some time:
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HOUSE [HAUSU] (Masters of Cinema) - Blu-ray Edition - February 12th (link)

MICHAEL (Masters of Cinema) - Blu-ray Edition - February 12th (link)

THE BAREFOOT CONTESSA (Masters of Cinema) - Dual Format Edition - March 12th (link)

LEGEND OF THE MOUNTAIN (Masters of Cinema) - Dual Format Edition - March 19th (link)
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#3815 Post by AK » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:38 pm

What a strong lineup! Yay!

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#3816 Post by domino harvey » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:56 pm

Of course, I just bought the TT Mank

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#3817 Post by rapta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:28 pm

Definitely up for Legend of the Mountain, House, and Michael, and will pick up the Mankiewicz at a later date. A very good MoC line-up after a bit of up-and-down these past few months (with the exception of the Keaton set).

House is a pretty big surprise to be honest. I already posted on the BR.com forums about this, but I remember quizzing Kevin from MoC on why they didn't upgrade it, even just as a limited edition. I think they implied it didn't sell particularly well, so it's interesting to see them decide to upgrade it now rather than back then (this was a few years ago).

I've just found a comment from Kevin when he was at Eureka (from Blu-ray.com; he now works for Arrow, last I checked). Here's one following up my response to somebody asking if House would ever be upgraded, where I explained that it was my belief Eureka were no longer interested in upgrading it:
Not that we're not interested. Criterion own the restoration which, at the moment, we don't have access too. That's all.
That was from March 2016, so it's interesting to note that within 2 years they've somehow managed to source the HD master. I'm guessing they got it from Toho rather than Criterion directly, unless it was a trade-off for something, but unlike Arrow I don't imagine Eureka would be holding something brilliantly restored like Time Bandits to be able to swap another title...right? All I can think of is that they helped them out with The Passion of Joan of Arc, but Janus should be perfectly fine figuring that out for themselves (via Gaumont, I think).
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#3818 Post by dwk » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:30 pm

If Toho (or most any other licensor) told Criterion to license their master to another company, Criterion would.

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#3819 Post by rapta » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:39 pm

dwk wrote:If Toho (or most any other licensor) told Criterion to license their master to another company, Criterion would.
Really? That's interesting to know. Perhaps there will be one or two more Toho titles coming to MoC in 2018 then. I assume they wouldn't just go to the trouble of upgrading one Toho title. Of course an MoC upgrade of Kwaidan was also up for debate in recent years so perhaps they'll do the same as House but with that one (and I love Kobayashi so I'd be very happy).

Even better would be some Teshigahara, but most likely to be sourced from Criterion would be Woman of the Dunes, the UK rights of which may still be with BFI. Pitfall or The Face of Another would be welcome upgrades, but clearly dependant on quality of the masters (as would any other Toho upgrades, but that goes without saying).

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#3820 Post by dwk » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:50 pm

Yeah. Jonathan Turell said that even though they've pretty much stopped licensing their master, they will do it if a licensor or filmmaker requests it. And Toho is too important (and too prickly) of a licensor for Criterion to ignore such a request.

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#3821 Post by Drucker » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:21 pm

I find it hard to believe that House would be seen as a low-seller, too. Don't horror movies of all stripes sell very well? Wasn't Onibaba one of MOC's best selling discs at one point?

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#3822 Post by rapta » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:56 am

Drucker wrote:I find it hard to believe that House would be seen as a low-seller, too. Don't horror movies of all stripes sell very well? Wasn't Onibaba one of MOC's best selling discs at one point?
I could just be making that up based on the reluctance for them to upgrade it; I couldn't actually find a quote that implied it wasn't a strong seller. Then again, I do remember it coming up multiple times and Kevin (ex-MoC) repeatedly implied it wouldn't be worth the upgrade - maybe he thought the most impatient fans would have imported the Criterion, but there are plenty of us stubborn Region B-ers left.

From memory, House was actually my very first MoC purchase, and I'm sure a lot of other people got into them the same way (or Japanese horrors anyway; my second was Kuroneko).

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#3823 Post by ermylaw » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:52 pm

According to their Twitter, there will be an announcements for (an) April release(s) tomorrow.

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#3824 Post by rapta » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:54 pm

April titles leaked on Amazon, for those interested:
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MARTY (Eureka Classics) [Dual Format Edition] - April 9th
EARLY HOU HSIAO HSIEN: THREE FILMS 1980-1983 [Blu-ray Edition] - April 16th
CURE (Masters of Cinema) [Dual Format Edition] - April 23rd
That last one is a particularly pleasant surprise. I had wondered if they'd get more from that director, but had incorrectly assumed his older stuff would be the kind of thing Arrow Video would announce at some point. Glad to see Eureka pull that one out of the hat. :)

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#3825 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:03 pm

Glad to see Cure getting a Blu release, maybe a Criterion is on the way! It's been on their streaming services forever (or at least it was on Hulu for a long time). And of course, Marty is in Kino hell over here.

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