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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:45 am 
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It's still going for 30 GPB on Amazon UK on EBAY, FWIW.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:55 am 
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I am really pleased to finally receive this down here this morning. Having only recently become acquainted with Mr Dreyer’s work, it quickly became apparent that this film was a gaping hole in my collection and I hope many other supporters of MOC pick up this edition with the outcome it might incentivise Eureka to release one or two of their other OOP titles still under license.

And I don’t think that I’ve ever anticipated a Blu/DVD release more than MOC’s forthcoming ’The Passion of Joan of Arc’.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:26 am 
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It's still my favourite Dreyer, and continues to get better every time I watch it. I can understand why Joan and Day of Wrath are his most celebrated films, but I think Michael is his richest, most moving and most deeply rewarding work (Gertrud, which has a lot in common with this film, comes in at a close second). Wonderful to have the two versions and two scores on MoC's edition, too.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:00 pm 

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So I'm heavily debating. There are still copies available from Eureka much to my relief after thinking I had missed out on the brief re-release. The question is, this late in the game, what are the odds that I purchase the DVD copy and then a new restoration or blu-ray is announced?

The other thing, as someone new to a region-free player, I've yet to play PAL content, so how different is the PAL speed up on a film like this?


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:16 am 
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JackTwist wrote:
So I'm heavily debating. There are still copies available from Eureka much to my relief after thinking I had missed out on the brief re-release. The question is, this late in the game, what are the odds that I purchase the DVD copy and then a new restoration or blu-ray is announced?

The other thing, as someone new to a region-free player, I've yet to play PAL content, so how different is the PAL speed up on a film like this?


I can't answer the last question (I guess I just don't notice it) but this package is wonderful, sharp and worthwhile. Mikael isn't available via the DFI's site, and the Kino is available in the USA, so I don't think there's any reason to believe a new restoration is imminent.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:44 pm 
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JackTwist wrote:
how different is the PAL speed up on a film like this?

If you've watched a silent movie at 24fps and then saw it at 25fps it is almost impossible to tell the difference without aural support.
Music on the other hand you can tell a slight pitch difference, especially if you know the songs or voices by heart.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:46 pm 
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JackTwist wrote:
So I'm heavily debating. There are still copies available from Eureka much to my relief after thinking I had missed out on the brief re-release. The question is, this late in the game, what are the odds that I purchase the DVD copy and then a new restoration or blu-ray is announced?


As far as I'm aware, the reason why 'Michael' was OOP for so long is that it sold so poorly that it never warranted a repress. I guess it got a small repressing recently due to the fact original copies were going for so much and it made sense to do it at the same time that 'La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc' was getting a release. As to PAL speedup, as Drucker suggests above, I don't imagine you'd ever notice it.

I'd say buy it for definite, you'll be supporting MoC and, as great a film as it is, I very much doubt at all that anyone has plans for another restoration, until maybe the 100th anniversary in 2024!


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:30 pm 

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Thanks. I went ahead and bought it. Felt super happy that I was able to get it because I thought it was a sure-fire miss. Could've gone with the Kino edition instead but that edition is UGLY! Bought this and Passion of Joan of Arc on blu-ray. Beside Vampyr, this will be my first true introduction to Dreyer and for that I'm very excited.

Why is the film so unknown? It seems most feel it is a Dreyer masterpiece.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:43 pm 
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JackTwist wrote:
Thanks. I went ahead and bought it. Felt super happy that I was able to get it because I thought it was a sure-fire miss. Could've gone with the Kino edition instead but that edition is UGLY! Bought this and Passion of Joan of Arc on blu-ray. Beside Vampyr, this will be my first true introduction to Dreyer and for that I'm very excited.

Why is the film so unknown? It seems most feel it is a Dreyer masterpiece.


I'd say there are very few, in general, silent films that are well-known by the general public. Very, very, very few. This isn't even Dreyer's most popular/best silent film. Part of the reason Dreyer didn't make a lot of films, I believe I've read, is his lack of commercial success. So an incredibly personal, high-minded artistic director who had little commercial success in his own time is bound to have a lack of popularity to a degree for all time (short a Hugo-type movie made about him). His admiration in film lover circles, however, is undeniable, and surely an important acknowledgement that keeps his career and films relevant to a certain population to this day.

My two cents, at least.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:41 am 
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It's actually one of his two greatest masterpieces. Along with Gertrud with which it forms one of the two bookmarks to reflect and contain Dreyer's total oeuvre into infinity. One of them is set in a homosexual milieu, the other in a heterosexual milieu. Both of them compeltely defy any then (or now) current "conventions" of what was possible in being a free soul, even within the relatively liberal mileux in which they were set (20s openly gay Berlin and 50s repressed hetero Denmark) They are both incomparably beautiful and beyond descpription for their times or even ours. Like Sternberg. And very few artists. They are completely, totally beyond any contemtemporary social or polticial discourse for people nowadays. Yet they simply exist forever. Their artistry and the guiding force behind them is unique and unparallelled in the history of the cinema.
The ignorance and general dismssal of this title especially is regrettable. Along with the fate of the MOC disc and all the hard work that went into that. I recall hearing about all the remaining warehouse discs which were destroyed during those London/Sony warehouse torch riots by the feral mob.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:56 pm 
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Well I just re-watched this film, after having a bit of a Dreyer binge the last two weeks, and I'm glad to say I have a much better appreciation of his work. I've watched all of his DFI available films in the last three weeks and now re-watched Michael, and in terms of where this film stands among Dreyer's work, I don't see how one could not see this as a masterpiece.

This film moves in such a beautiful way, and I think is the first of his films that perfectly melds style and story. (I haven't seen Parson's Widow yet, nor Master of the House). It feels like a Dreyer film throughout, not merely showing flashes of his brilliance in the making. I found a few of his early works to be a bit burdened by plot, and while he uses shots such as an insert of flowing water or an empty forest to create atmosphere, they weren't, perhaps, fully ingrained in the film as well as every shot here is.

I've also read most of Dreyer In Double Reflection at this point, and so many of the ideas Dreyer mentions/brings up with his films come through so clearly here, first. The "realized mysticism" of the man and woman holding the statue, and their entire affair brings out the best of his genius throughout the film. The "gliding movement" that occurs when Michael paints the countesses' eyes, as well, is an amazing example of application of technique. As soon as Brutus and Cesar are brought up, the Master has a look on his face of dread and foreshadow. It is in his look alone that the betrayal at the end of the film is predicted, and the same look returns when the Master knows he has been betrayed. On top of the mystic nature of the film, the lighting and ways shots are composed is also absolutely beautiful.

Michael, to me, fits more with his Gertrud, Ordet, and Day of Wrath period of films than his early ones. One thing that really separates it from his early films is the lack of a clear good versus evil/protagonist versus antagonist. The President has a clear moral choice he can or can not make, as do the characters in Satan's book, Love One Another, and Bride of Glomdal. In Michael, The Master and Michael are both guilty of harming the other one. And again, the plot and how it ends is absolutely secondary to how the film plays out, evolves, and moves.

Now, I do like Dreyer's early films I've seen (with the exception of Satan's Book, which I felt was more burdened by plot and so many expository intertitles), so I do not mean to put them down at all. But Michael towers above them all I feel, and absolutely belongs in the conversation with his best works.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:26 am 
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Upgrade coming next year:
Eureka on Facebook wrote:
Newsflash! We can reveal that Carl Th. Dreyer's MICHAEL is coming back to The Masters of Cinema Series in the new year! A stunning 1080p presentation from a brand new 2K restoration, will be available on Blu-ray for the very first time anywhere in the world.

Full Details will be announced in the next few months...


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:18 am 
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Hell yes. Also I don't remember that post I wrote four years ago but I sound smartish. Pretty cool.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:19 am 
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Why does next year sound so much better than this year?


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:49 am 
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What A Disgrace wrote:
Why does next year sound so much better than this year?


Probably because they've been forced to buck the trend and do less studio titles thanks to labels like Indicator and Arrow grabbing everything they would've gone for (from Sony, MGM and Fox anyway). Criterion too, of course.

Pretty good though as it means they've had to dig a little deeper, and not only are we getting an upgrade of a Dreyer I wasn't expecting - I honestly figured they'd upgrade Vampyr first, if only to prevent another potential Criterion UK acquisition - but several other decent titles are lined up for MoC in the new year: three early films from Hou Hsiao-hsien; King Hu's Legend of the Mountain; James Whale's The Old Dark House; Phillippe de Broca's King of Hearts; and at least one more from Billy Wilder (probably The Fortune Cookie or Witness for the Prosecution). And that's just what we know about!

Anyway, glad they're upgrading Michael as it means I no longer have to worry about hunting down the long-OOP DVD edition.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:55 am 
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I paid like $60 for this about two months before they re-issued it on DVD, so all subsequent issues of this title are my doing. You're all welcome.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:10 pm 
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God, I think I paid like $150 or something


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:31 pm 
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Great news! This is such a rich film, and for Dreyer it was second only to "The Passion of Joan of Arc" among his silents. There was a restored version screened at the Berlinale in 2006, two years after the MOC release.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:20 pm 
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rockysds wrote:
Upgrade coming next year:
Eureka on Facebook wrote:
Newsflash! We can reveal that Carl Th. Dreyer's MICHAEL is coming back to The Masters of Cinema Series in the new year! A stunning 1080p presentation from a brand new 2K restoration, will be available on Blu-ray for the very first time anywhere in the world.

Full Details will be announced in the next few months...

Fuck!!!!!!!! Can anyone let out any details of the provenance of the restoration? I was unaware of any. This is one of my desert island ten.


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 Post subject: Re: 3 Michael
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:05 am 
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...is it weird that MoC is billing the new restoration as a "World Exclusive?" Doesn't that strongly imply no one else will be releasing it, using stronger wording than the usual wording like above about it just being the first release in the world?


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 Post subject: Re: 3 / BD 183 Michael
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:48 am 
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Mauritz Stiller made a version called The Wings (1916) which survives. Wish they could still try to add this as an extra, I don’t mind if it means a delay.


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