26 The Savage Innocents
- blindside8zao
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- Luke M
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I had to shut this movie off because of the scenes involving animals being hunted. I always put my beliefs and politics aside when viewing any sort of art including movies or art galleries. But I couldn't take this anymore. I don't agree with animals with being killed for art. I doubt the scenes were faked in this movie, however, I could be wrong. It took me out of the film and found myself quite shocked that no review ever mentioned it.
It wasn't quite as bad as the giraffe being shot in Sans Soleil, while graphic, I at least felt that the animal's death had a purpose other than for the film.
It wasn't quite as bad as the giraffe being shot in Sans Soleil, while graphic, I at least felt that the animal's death had a purpose other than for the film.
- MichaelB
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If the animals were genuinely "killed for art", then the BBFC would legally not have been allowed to pass the scenes for British video release - their hands being tied by the 1937 Animals Act, which explicitly prevents such things from being distributed.Luke M wrote: I don't agree with animals with being killed for art. I doubt the scenes were faked in this movie, however, I could be wrong.
There are only two get-out clauses: if the killings were simulated (and the distributor can prove this), or if the deaths would have happened regardless of the presence of the cameras. The BBFC is most assiduous about making sure that one or the other applies - I'm guessing (2) is most likely in this case.
- Luke M
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Thanks for that info. I may give the disc another spin.MichaelB wrote:If the animals were genuinely "killed for art", then the BBFC would legally not have been allowed to pass the scenes for British video release (their hands being tied by the 1937 Animals Act).Luke M wrote: I don't agree with animals with being killed for art. I doubt the scenes were faked in this movie, however, I could be wrong.
There are only two get-out clauses: if the killings were simulated, or if the deaths would have happened regardless of the presence of the cameras. The BBFC is most assiduous about making sure that one or the other applies.
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If the animals were genuinely "killed for art", then the BBFC would legally not have been allowed to pass the scenes for British video release - their hands being tied by the 1937 Animals Act, which explicitly prevents such things from being distributed.[/quote]Luke M wrote: I don't agree with animals with being killed for art. I doubt the scenes were faked in this movie, however, I could be wrong.
Actually, the BBFC don't have a problem with animals being killed for a film; you can see chickens being killed in LACOMBE LUCIEN, rabbits being killed in LA REGLE DU JEU, a chicken and a pig being killed in WEEKEND, chickens having their heads blown off in PAT GARRETT & BILLY THE KID, etc. They generally only cut scenes that involve 'unnecessary cruelty', which usually means cockfights and horsefalls.
- Napier
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Re: 26 The Savage Innocents
I absolutely love this film. It's just so darn cool. Any luck renegotiating the rights? I absolutely treasure the copy I have, it was my first MoC disc. And I feel lucky to have gotten one.
- HerrSchreck
- Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:46 am
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Might have been my first MoC too-- either this or Asphalt, can't remember.
And it sure is a keeper, very much worth treasuring and fetishizing. Especially when I copped a gander at the alternative(s) in R2 land.
And it sure is a keeper, very much worth treasuring and fetishizing. Especially when I copped a gander at the alternative(s) in R2 land.
- L.A.
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Re: 26 The Savage Innocents
If I recall this was my first MoC as well.
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This was my second MoC, after Faust.L.A. wrote:If I recall this was my first MoC as well.
- jt
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Re: 26 The Savage Innocents
I bought three copies of this when it went out of print, hoping for a Salo-style price bump...
If anyone wants an unopened copy, I still have two wrapped/ unopened which I'd happily trade for stuff I don't have.
If anyone wants an unopened copy, I still have two wrapped/ unopened which I'd happily trade for stuff I don't have.
- jamie_atp
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Think someone should tell Play to change their listing...
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- jsteffe
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Re: 26 The Savage Innocents
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this one of the Paramount titles that Olive Films is slated to release on DVD in the U.S.? But the MoC edition still retains its inherent value, I'd say.
- AlexHansen
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Re: 26 The Savage Innocents
I stuck this out to the end hoping that there'd be something to latch on to. Something that would make me sit up and say "That's the ticket!", but without luck. It seemed like aimless meandering. The camera searching across the expanse of ice for a reason to be like Inuk looking for food or the Mounties looking for Inuk. The Naked Prey provoked a similar response, so perhaps the "exotic" just doesn't do it for me.
Would Napier, Schreck (if you happen to be lurking about), or anyone else be kind enough to go into some detail about what they like about the film?
Would Napier, Schreck (if you happen to be lurking about), or anyone else be kind enough to go into some detail about what they like about the film?
- ozukarodzi
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AlexHansen wrote:The camera searching across the expanse of ice for a reason to be like Inuk looking for food or the Mounties looking for Inuk. The Naked Prey provoked a similar response, so perhaps the "exotic" just doesn't do it for me.
You are wrong to compare The Savage Innocents to The Naked Prey. Nick Ray is not an "exotic" director and there is nothing exotic about The Savage Innocents.
- manicsounds
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Ascot Elite will release a remastered DVD of "Savage Innocents" in Germany in April 2015
The listing says German / Italian for audio and nothing for subtitles, but not confirmed yet.
The listing says German / Italian for audio and nothing for subtitles, but not confirmed yet.