It is currently Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:00 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Forum rules


Please do not clutter up the threads for MoC titles with information on pre-orders. You can announce the availability of pre-orders in the MoC: Cheapest Prices / Best Places to Buy / Pre-Orders thread. Any posts on pre-orders in any other thread will be deleted.



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 49 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:31 am 
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:09 am
Blu-ray upgrades of all of MoC's remaining Murnau titles coming together on August 22

Image

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This thread is for discussion of the release of the boxset. There are separate threads for each film included in the box here:

Schloß Vogelöd

Phantom / The Grand Duke's Finances

Der Letzte Mann

Tartuffe


Top
 Profile  
 

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:59 am 

Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:31 am
Location: Somerset, England
Tommaso wrote:
TMDaines wrote:
I was hoping that the early Murnau set would include the early, non-lost works that are yet to be released, but I'll still gladly sell my DVDs and upgrade.

The question is what exactly they mean by 'early' Murnau. "Nosferatu" is already out on a separate blu, so probably it means "Vogelöd", "Phantom" and "Großherzog". Which still leaves space for two more films, which would naturally mean "Gang in die Nacht" and "Der brennende Acker". Only that I don't think there are new restos of these two. Let's not forget that there's also a 14 min. fragment of "Marizza".

Eureka's Twitter announcement has already specified the other two as Der letzte Mann and Tartuffe... not exactly "early" works!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:38 am 

Joined: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:35 pm
So what are the odds of Der letzte Mann getting a stand-alone release at some point?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:29 am 
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:04 pm
Location: Hants, UK
Is this now being called "F.W. Murnau: Five Films" instead of "Early Murnau: Five Films"? That seems to be the case according to today's announcement, so presumably the Amazon listing is wrong - some have pointed out that a couple of these can't really be called 'early Murnau'.

Also, Amazon seems to say it'll be a 2xBD set whilst everywhere else is saying 3xBD. I'm assuming it's the latter for the time being, as this will involve five films plus extras!

Great stuff though - luckily I only have Phantom / Die Finanzen des Großherzogs on DVD already so the overlap isn't too bad for me!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:38 am 
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 7:33 am
Location: Helsinki, Finland
rapta wrote:
Great stuff though - luckily I only have Phantom / Die Finanzen des Großherzogs on DVD already so the overlap isn't too bad for me!

Likewise.

I understand there was a fragment found of a lost Murnau film some time ago. Would love to see that included as an extra.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:46 am 
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 9:37 am
Also here's hoping they toned down the color a bit on Phantom's tinting, which is very strong on the DVD.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:46 am 
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
Location: SLC, UT
rapta wrote:
Is this now being called "F.W. Murnau: Five Films" instead of "Early Murnau: Five Films"? That seems to be the case according to today's announcement, so presumably the Amazon listing is wrong - some have pointed out that a couple of these can't really be called 'early Murnau'.

I mean, we're talking about five out of six of his earliest available films, but point taken--"Early" is likely to conjure false hopes for all those lost or undistributed films that came before. I guess the title from the Facebook announcement is more likely.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:32 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:06 am
Such great news! For some reason I never got to buying these on DVD, and on top of that Der letzte Mann is the only one I've seen, so happy me!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:12 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:05 am
Telstar wrote:
So what are the odds of Der letzte Mann getting a stand-alone release at some point?


I would say extremely likely based on the film's high profile.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:36 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:04 pm
Location: Hants, UK
swo17 wrote:
rapta wrote:
Is this now being called "F.W. Murnau: Five Films" instead of "Early Murnau: Five Films"? That seems to be the case according to today's announcement, so presumably the Amazon listing is wrong - some have pointed out that a couple of these can't really be called 'early Murnau'.

I mean, we're talking about five out of six of his earliest available films, but point taken--"Early" is likely to conjure false hopes for all those lost or undistributed films that came before. I guess the title from the Facebook announcement is more likely.


I would have accepted 'Early Murnau', as it indicates they're from his career in Germany prior to his later work in America, but yeah you can see they changed their mind. The Amazon listing states 'Early Murnau: Five Films' and also that it's a 2-disc release, but the official announcement on Facebook and Twitter (and a press release sent to DVDBeaver) calls it 'F.W. Murnau: Five Films' and that it's a 3-disc release.

In fact, I'd rather they went back and called it 'Early Murnau' so it matched the 'Late Mizoguchi' title formatting. Watching those two sets back-to-back might actually be an ideal marathon!

Der Spieler wrote:
Telstar wrote:
So what are the odds of Der letzte Mann getting a stand-alone release at some point?


I would say extremely likely based on the film's high profile.


I get the impression they were set to release Der Letzte Mann but then caught wind of being able to upgrade the others, and have decided to go all-in for a box set rather than separate releases which would further split potential sales of titles most already have on DVD. I think the box set is a safe bet, and if they do release Der Letzte Mann at a later date it will only be because the box set has sold so well (maybe even waiting for it to go OOP first).


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:53 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:01 pm
Location: Stretford, Manchester
swo17 wrote:
rapta wrote:
Is this now being called "F.W. Murnau: Five Films" instead of "Early Murnau: Five Films"? That seems to be the case according to today's announcement, so presumably the Amazon listing is wrong - some have pointed out that a couple of these can't really be called 'early Murnau'.

I mean, we're talking about five out of six of his earliest available films, but point taken--"Early" is likely to conjure false hopes for all those lost or undistributed films that came before. I guess the title from the Facebook announcement is more likely.

Two of his earlier films are also available, just unreleased and restored: Der Gang in die Nacht and Der brennende Acker. You can find them in reasonable quality online with fansubs.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:04 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:25 am
Location: SLC, UT
That's what I was getting at when I said "lost or undistributed." I guess I meant that of the 10 Murnau films that we know have been made available to Eureka, this box will cover five of the six that came first chronologically (even if the last one of them came out just five years before his death!)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:23 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:01 pm
Location: Stretford, Manchester
Yeah, anyway, as much as I got my hopes up for some previously unreleased works, it'll be great to have five Blu-ray world firsts of Murnau all the same! It would great to see if Kalat would do another commentary or two!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:46 pm 
Dot Com Dom
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:42 pm
I have all of these on MoC DVD already, but some new Kalat commentaries would definitely prod me to act quicker!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:56 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:42 pm
Why doesn't someone release Murnau's earliest surviving film, Der Gang in die Nacht, on DVD? If I am not mistaken, it's his only surviving film that has never been put on DVD. It can be seen on YouTube: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwb3Jffj74c


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:25 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:59 am
Location: San Francisco
I'm hoping to see some detailed specs on the "Early Murnau" release at some point. Eureka has done an impeccable job with the other Murnau films on Blu and the vast majority of their releases. I'm very surprised to see that these five films are going to be released on only two BluRay discs. That doesn't bode well, especially for retaining the extras from the DVDs, possibility of future standalone releases, or coming with a substantial book/booklet retaining all the material from the separate DVD releases.

Fortunately since I have the DVDs I can wait to see how this all shakes out.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:38 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:25 am
The Amazon listing is incorrect, the set will be 3 discs. I'd be surprised if any extras were dropped and I don't see why there would be reason to believe any of the booklet stuff will be dropped; it'll surely all be collected in a large bound book a la the Mizoguchi set.

But yes, I certainly wouldn't hope for any individual releases.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:13 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:28 pm
Location: Greenwich Village
Special Features:
-New high-definition presentations of all five films, created by the Friedrich-Wilhelm-Murnau-Stiftung
-Uncompressed PCM audio on all five scores | Original German-language intertitles with newly translated optional English-language subtitles on all films
-The Language of the Shadows: Friedrich Wilhelm Murnau and His Films, a 31-minute video piece by Luciano Berriatúa on the early works of Murnau
-Audio commentary by film scholar David Kalat on The Grand Duke's Finances
-The Making of The Last Laugh, a 41-minute documentary by Murnau expert Luciano Berriatúa
-Tartuffe: The Lost Film, a 37-minute documentary by Berriatúa | A 100-page book featuring writing by Charles Jameux, Lotte H. Eisner, Janet Bergstrom, Tony Rayns, and archival imagery


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:31 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:04 pm
Location: Hants, UK
All the same extras as the separate DVD editions then, minus contributions from R. Dixon Smith. Unless that omission is just a typo, it could be that there were rights issues with those particular pieces/extracts?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:45 pm 

Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:12 am
Der Gang in die Nacht and Der brennende Acker are conspicuous by their absence; does anyone know why MoC have never picked them up? This seems like an ideal opportunity to get them out there


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:22 am 
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:09 am
Because neither of these two films have been transferred to HD by the German institutions so far, though I've read that "Der Gang in die Nacht" has recently been restored by the Munich film museum. But they have nothing to do with Murnau-Stiftung (from whom MoC usually get their German silents). I'd say it's possible that this restored "Gang in die Nacht" might come out on Edition Filmmuseum; in five or eight years or so, given that label's snail pace...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:57 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:34 pm
Amazon UK lists "What Will You Be Tomorrow? A new video essay by filmmaker and critic David Cairns" as an extra on the set.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:58 am 
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:04 pm
Location: Hants, UK
Apparently this is being put back a month with a new release date of September 26th. No word as to why but I imagine it'd just be manufacturing delays.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:11 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 9:37 am
DVD Beaver.

It seems there's been a bunch of tinting changes, and overall a huge upgrade in PQ across the board.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:45 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:09 am
Yeah, looks fantastic. Especially "Phantom" seems to be a huge upgrade, though I never had any problems with the old version. But just comparing that shot of Lil Dagover standing at the window... amazing. The tintings on the new blu versions also seem to look better in comparison.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 49 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group




This site is not affiliated with The Criterion Collection