Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1451 Post by tenia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:05 pm

The encode isn't the only problem of the new 4K restoration, but its color timing leads to blown whites and it seemed to have been DNRed too.

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#1452 Post by Big Ben » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:26 pm

I was just dropping more buzzkill but you guys double downed and brought pictures and facts! I adore this film and it's a damn shame to see it look like this. Anyone know if they could be pressured to fix it?

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#1453 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:31 pm

If everyone stopped buying their products, that would work. But it's tough getting a mass group of individuals to collectively do something in their best interest.

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#1454 Post by Drucker » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:51 pm

Bizarrely, I thought they had turned a corner, as many of their B&W releases have looked fine for years. The Third Man 4k looks pretty good, and Forbidden Games looks good as well.

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#1455 Post by tenia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:04 pm

hearthesilence wrote:But it's tough getting a mass group of individuals to collectively do something in their best interest.
That's quite a simplistic take. It's tough to anticipate a brand new 4K restoration from the OCN being worse-looking that an out-of-date IP-sourced HD restoration.

On top of that, the CE comes with the soundtrack and quite a bunch of extras. So yeah, it's not as if such a disappointed was expected, especially, indeed, when the previous movie that got such a treatment was The Third Man, which ended up getting a very good release (technically-wise). Highlander, encode aside, is also quite good looking, as was Ran and many other recent SC movies (I think their Vintage Classics actually is quite a success when it comes to the restorations).

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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1456 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:16 pm

tenia wrote:
hearthesilence wrote:But it's tough getting a mass group of individuals to collectively do something in their best interest.
That's quite a simplistic take. It's tough to anticipate a brand new 4K restoration from the OCN being worse-looking that an out-of-date IP-sourced HD restoration.
When pre-release word-of-mouth gets around fast, I'm not sure if anticipation is really a factor. Even if you do buy one, if it looks shoddy, you could always mail it back to the manufacturer for a refund or credit, and that will probably get their attention a lot more than a non-purchase. Not sure what Studio Canal's policy is, but this has happened with other specialty labels, and it does shape what they do with future releases.

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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1457 Post by tenia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:33 am

There hasn't been any pre-release technical word of mouth on that one. The first feedbacks available were after the release date, when the people (like me) who pre ordered it started talking about it. Sure, I could have waited but why should I ? I like a lot the movie, and there was no particular reason for the restoration to be disappointing. What you're doing here is judging through information people didn't have at the time of pre-order and early release days.

Again, most of their previous restorations were very good, why should I have been cautious about that one ?
hearthesilence wrote:Even if you do buy one, if it looks shoddy, you could always mail it back to the manufacturer for a refund or credit, and that will probably get their attention a lot more than a non-purchase
On which ground ? "Hey, the restoration is bad, I want a refund" ?

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#1458 Post by kekid » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:36 pm

I have been reading with some interest views of various members on the StudioCanal restoration of "The Man Who Fell To Earth". There seems to be a fair consensus in this forum that the restoration is problematic. Therefore I was quite surprised to read a glowing review of the same in the February issue of Sight and Sound magazine.
And the debate goes on regarding the upcoming Criterion rendition of "The Tree of Wooden Clogs", a film very important to me.
And as a non-technical person I wonder about these dramatic differences of opinions.
The following possibilities exist:
(1) The reviewers have personal stake or bias in the material they review.
(2) People review a restoration based on their memory of what it looked like when they saw it in the (sometimes remote) past. The recollections of different reviewers/commentators often differ.
(3) Some people review a restoration based on what seems good to them now, irrespective of how it might have looked in the past. Clearly different people may have different preferences. The fact that many directors/cinematographers choose to change the look of their films from the original suggests that this is perhaps not a completely inappropriate way to evaluate a particular product.
(4) Some technically well-informed viewers evaluate alternatives based on numerical measures.
There may be more considerations than the ones listed above.
Finally, individual viewers have their own preferences as to how they judge a restoration.
I think it is good in forums like this to expose the viewers of different views, and provide the supporting evidence when possible. I feel that people who provide such information, here and elsewhere, are providing a useful service. We can form individual opinions about which sources we tend to agree with more often. I thank reviewers with whom I agree and those with whom I disagree often. They give me a rounded perspective. Therefore I find occasional hostile comments about certain reviewers a little troubling.

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#1459 Post by Drucker » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:52 pm

I think it's fair to assume those of us on this and other like minded forums are in the minority by a truly significant margin. The notion i that DVD reviewers are going to even armchair experts in encoding and restoration issues is a far cry from reality.

For what it's worth: I've seen three IB tech screenings in my life. Two of them were introduced and did so by basically saying "Today's print is an IB Tech print, which I don't really 'get' but I assure you is very rare!" With perhaps an additional comment about great color.

Most of the people who obsess about films don't go crazy about encoding, restoration quality, accuracy vs. release prints. They just love movies.

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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1461 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:37 pm

tenia wrote:
hearthesilence wrote:Even if you do buy one, if it looks shoddy, you could always mail it back to the manufacturer for a refund or credit, and that will probably get their attention a lot more than a non-purchase
On which ground ? "Hey, the restoration is bad, I want a refund" ?
I haven't tried this with a DVD yet, but on two occasions I've returned expensive reissues of music pretty much on those grounds - i.e. terrible mastering. Not for a refund though, in both cases I exchanged it for another item that I knew to be of better quality (mastering-wise).

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#1462 Post by domino harvey » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:39 pm

Your record store either really loves you or really hates you

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#1463 Post by hearthesilence » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:39 pm

Hah, it's mostly mail order for me. Here in NY, I don't even go to record stores anymore - every single one I've frequented is now closed! (Kim's, Other Music, Bleecker Street, etc., even Virgin - all gone)

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#1464 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:49 pm

Oh how I miss the Tower Records on Broadway and East 4th Street.

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#1465 Post by whaleallright » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:24 pm

Other than Academy, how many record stores are left in Manhattan? (There's now a predictable glut of vinyl-only stores in Brooklyn.)

(sorry, off-topic I know, but I'm curious)

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#1466 Post by hearthesilence » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:54 pm

Not sure but record businesses elsewhere (Amoeba in California, Newbury in Boston, Reckless in Chicago) have had better luck, in some cases thriving rather than just surviving. I’m almost certain NYC’s outrageous rent prices are primarily to blame for this difference.

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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1467 Post by Drucker » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:47 pm

whaleallright wrote:Other than Academy, how many record stores are left in Manhattan? (There's now a predictable glut of vinyl-only stores in Brooklyn.)

(sorry, off-topic I know, but I'm curious)
I wandered into one two blocks south of St. Mark's a few months ago and scored some great vinyl. Apparently the guy had been there for years.

There's some great stores in the suburbs of NJ and Delaware. Jupiter Records in particular in Delaware is ace.

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Re: Studio Canal/Kinowelt/Optimum

#1468 Post by rockysds » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:58 am

Waris Hussein's Melody (1971) on blu-ray April 17th.

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#1469 Post by rapta » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:03 am

New 2K restored Blu-ray edition of Fellini's La Strada arriving on June 5th (after a theatrical run in May).

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#1470 Post by rockysds » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:06 pm

Trio of Jacques Becker blus coming as well in May and June:Le Trou, Édouard et Caroline and Touchez pas le grisbi + a new release of Castle d'Or that might well just be a repackage.

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#1471 Post by domino harvey » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:11 pm

rockysds wrote:Waris Hussein's Melody (1971) on blu-ray April 17th.
Saw this for the first time a couple weeks ago. There are some good moments and observations but the film is kinda a mess, more of a love story of friendship between the two boys than a notable heterosexual romance and the infamous climactic matrimony comes out of nowhere-- the film feels like it's missing forty minutes of footage somewhere in the back half. Plus the songs are surprisingly bad, and I say this as someone who generally likes the Bee Gees

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#1472 Post by criterionsnob » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:15 pm

Wes Anderson has cited Melody as an inspiration for Moonrise Kingdom, so I'm intrigued.

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#1473 Post by rapta » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:39 pm

rockysds wrote:Trio of Jacques Becker blus coming as well in May and June:Le Trou, Édouard et Caroline and Touchez pas le grisbi + a new release of Castle d'Or that might well just be a repackage.
I hope Casque d'Or is indeed a reissue of the same disc, just so I can ignore that one and focus on the other three (i.e. I already have it). Very happy they're doing more Becker, but never expected 3 or 4 at once!

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#1474 Post by rockysds » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:32 am

Alexander Mackendrick's Mandy on blu-ray in June.

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#1475 Post by rockysds » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:57 am

Ealing comedy The Goose Steps Out on blu-ray in May.

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