Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2751 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:37 pm

It happens. The PTSD color noir with Ralph Meeker (Can’t remember the title) had the wrong aspect ratio and maybe running time too. They’re just template errors where the designer used the previous back cover they made and forgot to change them

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2752 Post by Roscoe » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:40 pm

Kino has announced a Blu-Ray of FELLINI'S CASANOVA for release in September. I guess it won't be appearing in that long-rumored Fellini Box from Criterion. Or will it?

Coming to September 22nd from Kino Classics!

Fellini's Casanova (1976)
• Includes both English & Italian Tracks with Optional English subtitles
• Audio commentary by film critic Nick Pinkerton
• Booklet essay by film scholar Alberto Zambenedetti, PhD
• Theatrical Trailer
• Dual-Layered BD50 Disc

The incomparable Federico Fellini (La dolce vita) directs this visually stunning portrait of Casanova, the infamous Italian womanizer, adventurer, author and libertine. In a remarkable performance, Donald Sutherland (Klute) portrays the great seducer not as an amorous anomaly, but an everyday man living in extraordinary times. Featuring dazzling European settings (although it was filmed entirely in Rome), an unforgettable musical score by the great Nino Rota (The Godfather), and Oscar-winning costume design by Danilo Donati (Romeo and Juliet), Fellini's Casanova is a cinematic experience to fall in love with. Fellini and Bernardino Zapponi (City of Women) received Oscar® nominations for their adapted screenplay.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2753 Post by senseabove » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:44 pm

I love the label for the sheer quantity of oddball obscurities they release, but... yes, Kino is virtually synonymous with sloppy slap-dash quality.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2754 Post by Roscoe » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:14 pm

I'll praise Kino for releasing some very important films in very fine editions, but yeah. I've been burned enough to be very sure to check the reviews online of their releases before purchasing. The SPIES and WOMAN IN THE MOON debacle was the last straw on that score.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2755 Post by senseabove » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:32 pm

There's a whole thread tracking reported issues with KL discs on the other forum, started after the Insider got tired of fielding complaints in the main thread ("This is an announcement thread not a complain thread" yadayada), agreed to address issues in the other thread, and then—surprise—promptly ignored. Many of the ones listed are just bad compression, but there are a couple dozen that have other issues listed:
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6th Man, The
Reason: Mono instead of indicated stereo track
Replacement Program: None

Bitter Moon
Reason: PAL Speedup audio track
Solution: DE Disc

Blackmail
Reason: The silent version in its correct 1.33:1 AR, but the 1.19 AR sound version has two incorrect stretched transfers: 1.33.1 and 1.12:1. Solution: None

Betsy's Wedding
Reason: Mono instead of indicated stereo track
Solution: Mill Creek Disc

Bubble, The
Reason: Out of sync audio
Replacement Program: None

Camp Nowhere
Reason: Mono instead of indicated stereo track
Replacement Program: None

Cast a Giant Shadow
Reason: Out of sync audio
Replacement Program: None

Celtic Pride
Reason: Mono instead of indicated stereo track
Replacement Program: None

Diary of a Lost Girl
Reason: Stretched picture
Solution: UK Disc

Duck, You Sucker
Reason: Dirt removal errors resulting in lost detail
Solution: MGM Disc

Emerald Forest, The
Reasons: Mono instead of indicated stereo track. Dialogue is mostly in English with some Portuguese and native Amazonian. Kino's BD is also faulty in only having English subs for all dialogue. There is no option to watch the film only with subs for the non-English portions. Poor compression.
Solution: DE Disc

F.I.S.T
Reason: Missing European cut & poor compression
Solution: DE Disc

Good, Bad and the Ugly, The
Reason: Errors within extras
Replacement Program: None

Good Son, The
Reason: Left channel audio dropout at 6:00
Replacement Program: Noneo English subs

Heartbreak Hotel
Reason: Mono instead of indicated stereo track
Replacement Program: None

Holy Matrimony
Reason: Mono instead of indicated stereo track
Replacement Program: None

Interpreter, The
Reason: Image ghosting during last 10 minutes
Solution: UK Disc

Link
Reason: Mono instead of indicated stereo track
Replacement Program: None

Madhouse (1974)
Reason: Out of sync audio
Replacement Program: Yes, but it is over

Mond
Reason: Incorrect aspect ratio
Solution: Fritz Lang Release

My Father the Hero
Reason: Mono instead of indicated stereo track
Solution: Mill Creek Disc

Nixon
Reason: Audio out of sync on 5.1 track
Replacement Program: Yes

Nosferatu (1922)
Reason: Poor 18fps to 24fps conversion
Solution: UK Disc

On the Beach
Reason: Out of sync audio
Replacement Program: None

Outer Limits, The: Season 2 - Disc 1
Reason: Audio Error
Replacement Program: Yes

Spione
Reason: Incorrect aspect ratio
Solution: Fritz Lang Release
And that doesn't include packaging template mistakes like that, or announcing they were going to use the new master of Kind Hearts and Coronets, being sent the old one by StudioCanal, and nobody noticing until customers pointed it out—which may have been a blessing in disguise, as far as the master quality goes, but they nevertheless announced and advertised something and apparently did not check that it was actually what they received and released.

I buy a cart-full just about every sale, but yeah... always do your research on KL releases. And even if it gets a pass, if I know I love a movie and it has the slimmest chance of coming from a UK label, I'll try to wait for that, because it will almost certainly be handled with more care (for the love of god somebody release Bend of the River in the UK).

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2756 Post by Drucker » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:35 pm

This crass mishandling of cinematic masterpiece Celtic Pride has me in tears.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2757 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:39 pm

Yeah I do research on the quality, but not packaging- and in cases where it's cheap and there doesn't seem to be much online (i.e. Nothing Sacred which looks like garbage) I'll just take the risk, which is fine with me. I'm with you on holding out normally, though lately I've been less inclined to do so depending on the film and price.

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2758 Post by swo17 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:02 pm

They do sometimes better the other boutiques though (e.g. Charley Varrick, Leon Morin Priest)

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2759 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:26 pm

I get the impression that the KLInsider is more proud of the quantity of releases over the quality, which he often points out when someone brings up Criterion to him

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#2760 Post by Ribs » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:59 pm

I mean, they do deserve credit for the quantity considering the bulk of releases remain as good as you’d pretty much expect picture-quality wise. I did a basic count a few weeks ago and there were altogether 17 titles I wanted that Kino (across its labels) was releasing in July alone - I’m not going to get them all immediately but that’s definitely more then I want from anyone else. Signing giant 100-title deals with studios and just dumping them out one after the other is kind of a refreshing approach considering everyone else takes so much time with their titles.

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#2761 Post by senseabove » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:16 pm

And I am very thankful for the quantity, honestly. Would that WB would adopt the same scan-and-release strategy for their 30s and 40s obscurities that will never be prioritized for the level of restoration they seem to require, at least not as long as my eyes work/physical media is extant/etc. Seems safe to say that neither Criterion nor Warner Archive is rescuing the likes of oh, say, It's Love I'm After any time soon, but it's a title that would be right up Kino's alley.

Still, it would be nice to have faith that I didn't need to wait for reviews before buying any KL discs.

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#2762 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:26 pm

Thankfully their sales are often enough even for more recent titles where you can take a risk without it hurting too much. My batting avg isn't perfect, but I don't beat myself up for a miss when many were at rather cheap prices

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#2763 Post by beamish14 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:36 pm

KL on why they only released a single cut of Isadora, which is neither Karl Reisz's preferred version, nor the original 3-hour cut that screened
for awards consideration:
We released what was restored by Universal, and it's not the shortest cut, there are shorter cuts. The film is not big enough to warrant multiple restorations of multiple cuts, at least not by us.
That smacks of bullshit, as they went back and released the true cut of The Plague Dogs (a brilliant film that is also not a "big" title).
Isadora was a huge critical success, and Vanessa Redgrave is an actress who continues to guarantee a high degree of interest.
At least it doesn't seem like Universal doesn't still possess the alternate versions, so hopefully Indicator will get around to it at some point
(although a Region B Blu is still in print).

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2764 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:46 pm

That was Shout Factory

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#2765 Post by L.A. » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:07 am

Coming October 27th!

TWO MULES FOR SISTER SARA (1970)
• Brand New 4K Restorations by Universal: 113:32 International Cut / 104:40 Domestic Cut
• NEW Audio Commentary by Filmmaker Alex Cox
• At Home with Clint: Vintage Candid Interview with Clint Eastwood in HD
• Limited Edition Slipcase
• Reversible Art
• Poster and Image Gallery
• Theatrical Trailer (New HD Transfer)
• 2 TV Spots
• 4 Radio Spots
• Two Dual-Layered BD50 Discs
• Optional English Subtitles

From Don Siegel, the legendary director of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Coogan’s Bluff, Dirty Harry, Charley Varrick, The Shootist and Escape from Alcatraz, comes this classic western starring screen legends Clint Eastwood (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, High Plains Drifter) and Shirley MacLaine (Sweet Charity, Irma La Douce). Eastwood is a hard-hitting drifter who rides into town and single-handedly rescues a local nun (MacLaine) from a gang of bandits. After meeting a band of Mexican revolutionaries bent on resisting the French occupation of Mexico, the cowboy and Sister Sara decide to join forces with the freedom fighters and set off on a deadly mission to capture the enemy’s garrison. But along the way, a steamy romance develops between them when the soft-spoken hero discovers the nun is not what she seems. Ending with a violent climax at the well-protected fort, this action-packed western classic cemented Eastwood’s status as a true cinematic superstar. Featuring a masterful score by the great Ennio Morricone (A Fistful of Dollars).

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#2766 Post by L.A. » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:41 pm

Coming October 27th!

HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER (1973)
• NEW Audio Commentary by Filmmaker Alex Cox
• NEW Interview with Actress Marianna Hill
• NEW Interview with Actor Mitchell Ryan
• A Man Named Eastwood: Vintage HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER Promo (Restored in HD)
• TRAILERS FROM HELL with Josh Olson
• TRAILERS FROM HELL with Edgar Wright
• Limited Edition Slipcase
• Reversible Art
• Poster and Image Gallery
• Two Theatrical Trailers (New HD Transfers)
• TV Spot
• Radio Spot
• Two Dual-Layered BD50 Discs
• Optional English Subtitles

THEY’D NEVER FORGET THE DAY HE DRIFTED INTO TOWN! From Clint Eastwood, the acclaimed director/star of The Outlaw Josey Wales, Pale Rider, Unforgiven, Million Dollar Baby, Gran Torino and The Mule, comes this western masterpiece and homage to his “The Man with No Name” legend. Eastwood portrays a mysterious stranger who emerges out of the heat waves of the desert and rides into the guilt-ridden town of Lago. After committing three murders in the first 20 minutes, The Stranger is hired by the town’s citizens to protect them from the three vengeful gunmen about to be released from jail. Eastwood’s second film as a director is a tribute to his three spaghetti western classics with the great Sergio Leone, and features a strong supporting cast that includes Verna Bloom (Medium Cool), Marianna Hill (The Baby), Mitchell Ryan (The Hunting Party), Jack Ging (Play Misty for Me), Geoffrey Lewis (Every Which Way but Loose), Anthony James (In the Heat of the Night), John Hillerman (Blazing Saddles), John Quade (Breakheart Pass) and Billy Curtis (The Terror of Tiny Town). Beautifully shot in CinemaScope by Bruce Surtees (Dirty Harry) with a great screenplay by Ernest Tidyman (The French Connection) and a memorable score by Dee Barton (Thunderbolt and Lightfoot).

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Re: Kino Lorber Studio Classics Acquisitions

#2767 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:33 pm

Not gonna complain about high bitrates, but those must be some long interviews on the High Plains Drifter release to warrant a two-BD50 set. The other extras (excluding the commentary) probably amount to barely 20 minutes altogether.

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#2768 Post by PfR73 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:13 pm

Might have been a copy/paste error on the part of KL reusing part of the Two Mules for Sister Sara specs. The news on Blu-ray.com doesn't list the part about 2-discs.

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#2769 Post by RitrovataBlue » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:50 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:26 pm
I get the impression that the KLInsider is more proud of the quantity of releases over the quality, which he often points out when someone brings up Criterion to him
KLInsider isn’t one person, folks. It’s very much like Criterion’s fictional customer service rep, a job handled by office interns and the like. A friend of mine had the job briefly in 2017-early 2018, just after finishing the master’s program at USC. He was literally the office intern. His duties included managing pretty much all of Kino’s social media accounts, including both this one and the one on Blu-ray.com. When he moved on, someone else got the job; for all I know it might have turned over more than once since then. At any rate, he said they have a very small staff in the NY office. That probably explains their legendarily spotty quality control.

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#2770 Post by tenia » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:12 am

And their legendary forum handling, I guess.

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#2771 Post by MichaelB » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:20 am

Everyone on the Indicator team has login access to their Blu-ray.com account, but we’re under strict instructions not to post anything controversial or get in fights with people.

In fact, our response to one rather excitable individual who failed to get a satisfactory answer in the official Indicator thread and started abusing us via PM was to switch PMs off altogether.

(If I remember rightly, our “crime” was to fail to confirm full details of Hammer volume 4 on his say-so, for the very simple reason that we didn’t yet know for certain whether The Revenge of Frankenstein would be restored and therefore weren’t going to say anything about the release until such confirmation had been received. And obviously we couldn’t say or even hint at that at the time, because the last thing we wanted to do was get people’s hopes up only to potentially dash them later - a good illustration of why silence really is the best policy sometimes.)

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#2772 Post by colinr0380 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:02 am

Of course the current standard for poor handling of a business social media account (and that wine and unfettered access to social media 24/7 does not mix) is probably held by the owner of the Purr Cat Cafe! The owner is certainly engaging with their audience (albeit often role playing as a cat!) but in a rather antagonistic manner! That makes everything else look tame!

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#2773 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:38 am

RitrovataBlue wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:50 pm
FrauBlucher wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:26 pm
I get the impression that the KLInsider is more proud of the quantity of releases over the quality, which he often points out when someone brings up Criterion to him
KLInsider isn’t one person, folks. It’s very much like Criterion’s fictional customer service rep, a job handled by office interns and the like. A friend of mine had the job briefly in 2017-early 2018, just after finishing the master’s program at USC. He was literally the office intern. His duties included managing pretty much all of Kino’s social media accounts, including both this one and the one on Blu-ray.com. When he moved on, someone else got the job; for all I know it might have turned over more than once since then. At any rate, he said they have a very small staff in the NY office. That probably explains their legendarily spotty quality control.
Maybe they need to do a better job interviewing for interns. Because the tone is always the same

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#2774 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:29 am

It does explain why the account reads like some 19 year old Redditor’s posts

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#2775 Post by captveg » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:28 pm

More sold out titles:

Across 110th Street (1972) (DVD still available)
Foxes (1980) (DVD still available)
The Sheik (1921) (DVD still available)
The Unforgiven (1960) (DVD still available
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