421 Pierrot le fou

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rrenault
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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#301 Post by rrenault » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:36 pm

John Edmond wrote:What are the rules on this kind of behaviour? Because if Criterion can just calculate the average number of DVDs they sell per Godard release and then press that number it seems to defeat the purpose of time limits to licenses.
Sucks for Studio Canal. And either way, scores of cinephiles will crop over the course of the next 5-10 years long after the release has gone out of print, who will then covet it themselves, and that'll keep its value up overtime.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#302 Post by John Edmond » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:50 pm

Well yes, but it's only Studio Canal in this specific case. And glutting a market for 5-10 years basically kills the market for the next licence holder (and considering what's happening to physical releases it possibly kills the market for good).

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#303 Post by Gregory » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:57 pm

If studios want to circumvent the problem of a glut of existing releases, they could always focus more on films that have not been available yet, which would be to the good. Otherwise, if a studio is late to the party, they've got to outdo the previous release(s) in some way if there's going to be any point to it beyond just making money. The majority of Criterion's releases are done so well that I'm happy to see them continue to be available as long as possible.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#304 Post by felipe » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:34 pm

CSM126 wrote:
felipe wrote:Why is Barnes & Noble still selling this title? Isn't it OOP?
Yes, it is OOP. But B&N still have copies in stick to get rid of. OOP isn't the same thing as a stop-sale order. Criterion stopped making new copies, but retailers have every right to sell remaining stock.
Can criterion press a large number of copies just before the rights expire and keep selling them for years? is that possible?

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#305 Post by rrenault » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:47 pm

Well amazon is out of stock of copies of Pierrot Le Fou.

It was a little while from what I remember before the value of Contempt truly started to shoot up. It didn't skyrocket in value right away.

On a side note, why wouldn't Criterion have done the same with other blu rays that went out of print like The Third Man and/or The Man Who Fell To Earth, or heck, even DVDs that went out of print? It seems that Pierrot Le Fou was one of the only ones available long after having gone out of print.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#306 Post by zedz » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:04 pm

Though wasn't Pierrot le Fou the most recently released BluRay to be hit by the StudioCanal guillotine drop? Maybe Criterion had another pressing already scheduled and needed to go ahead with it in order to recoup their costs on the title.

Straw Dogs is another interesting case. Even though Criterion only ever had a small window of opportunity for the official in-print release, they must have pressed a lot of copies, because as I recall it was readily available at reasonable prices for years after it was officially OOP.

And I may be completely wrong about Pierrot's printings. My recollection was that this went out of stock very quickly at the big online stores after the OOP announcement, then became available again a few weeks before the deadline and has remained available since - though supplies are probably running out by now.

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#307 Post by PillowRock » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:21 pm

felipe wrote:Can criterion press a large number of copies just before the rights expire and keep selling them for years? is that possible?
No. Criterion has to have at least taken the order (and possibly shipped; not completely certain about that detail) by the time their license runs out. Any "new" cache of copies really ought to have left Criterion by the time their license ran out, and then been "lost" somewhere downstream in the distribution chain.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#308 Post by rrenault » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:09 am

why does amazon keep going in and out of stock of these? Do lost caches keep turning up, or are they they choosing to only sell a few copies at a time?

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#309 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:35 am

The former - Amazon sells nearly every item known to man, they wouldn't have the foresight to sell these in drips and drabs deliberately.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#310 Post by rrenault » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:43 am

I guess it's safe to say the Pierrot Le Fou Criterion will never be worth well over SRP. It seems like there's a limitless supply. At the time same time I wonder if out of print criterions will suffer from 80s baseball card syndrome and wind up being worth nothing, since everyone who obtains them will be bound to take good care of them, therefore inducing the market to be flooded with copies in perfect condition twenty years from now.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#311 Post by Tom Hagen » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:17 am

Well they are just DVDs and Blu-Rays afterall. 20 years from now, they may well be novelty items for all we know.

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#312 Post by rrenault » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:45 am

Well if 60s baseball cards and LPs are vintage today, there's no reason to think a criterion pierrot le fou disc won't be vintage in another 20-30 years, as long as a comparable product doesn't come into print in the meantime. Then again, maybe the fact I'm speculating a criterion release will become vintage is all the reason so assume it won't become valuable, since collector's items usually come into being when people don't preemptively foresee that it will gain value.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#313 Post by movielocke » Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:04 pm

rrenault wrote:Well if 60s baseball cards and LPs are vintage today, there's no reason to think a criterion pierrot le fou disc won't be vintage in another 20-30 years, as long as a comparable product doesn't come into print in the meantime. Then again, maybe the fact I'm speculating a criterion release will become vintage is all the reason so assume it won't become valuable, since collector's items usually come into being when people don't preemptively foresee that it will gain value.
You mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy. says the folks of the future who are appalled at the idea of having a physical copy of something as ephemeral as music, television or film.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#314 Post by felipe » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:20 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:The former - Amazon sells nearly every item known to man, they wouldn't have the foresight to sell these in drips and drabs deliberately.
But if they run out of stock how do they get more items? It's out of print so it couldn't be from Criterion, right? (or else Criterion itself would be selling it on the website, I assume)

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#315 Post by rrenault » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:24 pm

Has anyone ever worried that these extra copies of Pierrot Le Fou floating around for the past year since it went out of print are the result of bootlegging, but then again, we'd probably have a similar situation with all the out of print criterions that have left the collection in the past year. Anyhow, I wouldn't put it past them that Criterion has "lost" copies of out of print releases lying around on their premises that they randomly and clandestinely ship to retailers in small shipments.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#316 Post by Tom Hagen » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:32 pm

As people have already said, Criterion printed a whole bunch of these right before they lost the rights and it officially went OOP. I don't think anyone is out there bootlegging these.

Why are you worried that there seem to be too many of these still in circulation at reasonable prices? How is that possibly a problem?

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#317 Post by SpiderBaby » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:35 pm

I don't know what this means, but Pierrot le fou is now on the Rialto site (Can't click on the link yet, just the title is shown).

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#318 Post by Askew » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:50 pm

felipe wrote:
mfunk9786 wrote:The former - Amazon sells nearly every item known to man, they wouldn't have the foresight to sell these in drips and drabs deliberately.
But if they run out of stock how do they get more items? It's out of print so it couldn't be from Criterion, right? (or else Criterion itself would be selling it on the website, I assume)
Amazon is a huge company that has to keep track of many, many different items in their warehouses. How is it odd that they find a couple of these just laying around every now and then?

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#319 Post by felipe » Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:40 pm

Tom Hagen wrote:As people have already said, Criterion printed a whole bunch of these right before they lost the rights and it officially went OOP. I don't think anyone is out there bootlegging these.

Why are you worried that there seem to be too many of these still in circulation at reasonable prices? How is that possibly a problem?
It's not neccessarily a problem, I'd say we're just curious.
I mean, if Criterion printed a new bunch right before it went OOP why didn't they do it for the other titles that were to become OOP?

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#320 Post by rrenault » Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:47 pm

It would appear they did the same for Grand Illusion and The Milky Way, since those can still be had at reasonable prices, as well.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#321 Post by rrenault » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:45 pm

I don't know where else to ask this. I figured I would ask here, but is Godard anti-criterion? I ask, because it seems that all the criterion Godard transfers are approved by Coutard rather than by Godard, whereas most criterion transfers seem to be director-approved, provided the director's still alive. Also, both Godard and Karina have done interviews, exclusively for Criterion, along with some other Godard collaborators, but Godard hasn't given a single Criterion-exclusive interview, and I know he's very open to giving interviews in general.

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#322 Post by zedz » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:54 pm

I think that's just part of his branding.

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Re: 421 Pierrot le fou

#323 Post by swo17 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:02 pm

It could have something to do with the fact that Criterion thinks Godard stopped making films in 1972.

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#324 Post by aox » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:06 pm

You should have seen my shock when I was first getting into film and learned that Godard didn't die in 1972. Thanks Criterion.

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#325 Post by Mr. Ned » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:40 pm

swo17 wrote:It could have something to do with the fact that Criterion thinks Godard stopped making films in 1972.
Sauve qui peut (la vie) or King Lear CCs = dreams come true. As for Godard's lack of involvement with Criterion, I'd say it's most likely because he's an old fart and doesn't care about DVDs. I get the feeling he doesn't get out much.

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