300 The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

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Re: 300 The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

#376 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu May 22, 2014 2:47 am

Maybe. I'm actually kind of glad it didn't make it and we can watch it online for free instead. Neither Rushmore or Tenenbaums had any added features, so it kind of makes this release more in line with those.

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#377 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu May 22, 2014 9:34 am

You're glad that more features weren't included on this disc? How is that an actual opinion that someone can have?

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#378 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu May 22, 2014 1:11 pm

Not so much glad it's not on there, but wondering why new content wasn't made for those other two releases. Could have worded that much better, honestly.

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#379 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed May 28, 2014 12:43 pm

A new appreciation/"A" review from Mike D'Angelo on The AV Club: Wes Anderson’s The Life Aquatic is much better than its initial reviews claimed

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#380 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Wed May 28, 2014 11:02 pm

And rightfully so.

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#381 Post by aox » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:31 pm

Is there something wrong with the commentary track or are all of my wires crossed or something? Every time WA or NB speaks, it sounds like they are muffled at a dinner party with 40 people....

EDIT: additionally, their voices are floating all around my 5.1 speakers. This is driving me crazy.

EDIT 2: So at the beginning it says they are in the diner they wrote the film in. Wow.... It doesn't even sound like they are wearing lav mics or that there is even an overhead boom. This might be the dumbest thing I have witnessed in terms of production in a while to record a commentary track. So stupid on a ton of levels. While I do appreciate hearing (when I can) WA's and NB's thoughts on my favorite WA film, I can't believe no one interjected to stop this. What is even the novelty of this?

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#382 Post by Superswede11 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:18 am

It's really not ideal. I could hear what they were saying much better when I put it through just one speaker, but honestly I'm not sure if the commentary is worth the trouble since they don't say much of interest (though I love the film as well).

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#383 Post by AMalickLensFlare » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:16 am

I haven't had a chance to try it with the commentary yet, but wow, that sounds terrible. I'm guessing WA and NB were approached for a commentary and maybe they felt sitting around the restaurant, discussing the film and using snippets from the conversation as commentary would be more enjoyable for them. Who knows?

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#384 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:16 pm

I remember turning on the commentary whenever I first rented the film way back when and being equally put off. It was unlistenable and I don't recall whether I lasted through all of it or not (especially since I didn't like the film to begin with)

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#385 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:36 pm

I find it hard to hang onto Wes Anderson's every word in the first place, so this commentary was a struggle for me as well. One thing I found interesting was how Noah Baumbach initially wanted Steve Miller songs in place of the Bowie. This must have been satisfied when he did Greenberg years later.

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#386 Post by Superswede11 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:11 pm

flyonthewall2983 wrote:I find it hard to hang onto Wes' every word in the first place, so this commentary was a struggle for me as well. One thing I found interesting was how Noah initially wanted Steve Miller songs in place of the Bowie. This must have been satisfied when he did Greenberg years later.
Why Life Aquatic is better than Greenberg: Exhibit A

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#387 Post by Gregory » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:14 am

I revisited this one recently after far too long and liked it better than the first time I saw it. Likely because I'm almost years older now, and probably paid better attention this time too.

I listened to the commentary on the old DVD on my 2.0 setup and it seemed perfectly audible, and as good as most writer/director commentaries. One part that I listened for was about the line in the last 15 minutes about "I'm part gay," "Supposedly everyone is." Earlier in the film I'd understood Steve's comically silly homophobic remarks as a way of showing his maladjustment toward other people, but this line near the end seemed meant to bring this around to something, but I could never understand what exactly. Maybe it was significant, maybe a throwaway bit of writing that we're not supposed to think about. I hope not the latter, and I also hope it's not just a way of capping off the earlier slurs with an earnest exchange about how we're all sort of bisexual. It just seems kind of glib and out-of-nowhere. In the commentary, we find out that this is the line Anderson got the most compliments and remarks about, but we don't find out anything more, just some slightly awkward chuckling about the lines and "very true."

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#388 Post by jorencain » Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:25 pm

It's been years since I've watched the movie, but I thought that the "I'm part gay" line was an indicator of him having matured. Earlier, but he overhears some people talk about his "gay earring" (or something like that), and he takes it out and throws it away. The "I'm part gay" stuff just seemed like a book-end to that thread.

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#389 Post by Gregory » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:30 pm

Possibly, but it doesn't seem to work too well. Why would Goldblum's character suddenly say this to Steve? I thought the part about the earring had more to do with Steve's wish to be accepted and to reclaim something of his younger self rather than anything about his sexuality.

I love Anderson's films, but in Rushmore, Royal Tenenbaums, and this one, he had a real pattern of wrapping up the stories with one or more of the main characters abruptly maturing and becoming wiser and more self-aware. This brief exchange struck me as a strange variation on that device.

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#390 Post by Shrew » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:45 pm

I think for Goldblum's character, it was just some way to show that despite their rivalry he's come to trust Steve and wants to be a part of his group. So he awkwardly shares a secret. Steve's response is just an attempt to acknowledge this, and show that he does accept Hennessy, but in a way that makes this communal rather than just between the two of them. I don't think it's meant to imply anything about Steve's sexuality.

And I'd agree that Steve's earlier comments are more casual homophobia covering his dislike for certain people than actually deep-felt homophobia. They're more Steve masquerading as a tough guy than something deeply felt. I don't think there's a real through line between the early insults and this later acceptance, besides showing that the earlier insults were mainly hollow blustering to begin with.

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#391 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:58 pm

Same could be said for the "gay earring" line too. I don't buy some opinions that I read that it was reflective of anything of how Anderson feels.
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#392 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:19 pm

We get it, man. Do you have to reference that you're incorrect about using last names in every post you make?

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#393 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:55 pm

It was a slip of the fingers. I'm sorry.

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#395 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:27 pm

"Had Seu Jorge not recorded my songs in Portuguese I would never have heard this new level of beauty which he has imbued them with." - David Bowie

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#396 Post by diamonds » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:56 pm

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I found this supposed interview with Wes from 2009 where he discusses some songs he likes, both in and outside of his films. One of the songs listed is "Ceremony" by New Order, which was used in the trailer for The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou. He has this to say:
We almost used this in The Life Aquatic, and sometimes when the wind is full I wish we did.
Wes has toyed with different songs for specific scenes in the past, like the final scene of The Royal Tenenbaums at one point supposed to have The Beach Boys' "Sloop John B" (you can see how it might have played here), and supposedly the Anthology version of The Beatles' "I'm Looking Through You" before that. That being said, where do you think "Ceremony" would've fit in The Life Aquatic? My gut says it too would have been in the final scene, and as much as I love David Bowie, I think "Ceremony" would have fit just a bit better there.

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Re: 300 The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

#397 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:22 pm

Funniest line of This Is An Adventure is where they're filming one of the flashbacks where the boat is stuck in ice, and Bill Murray says at one point "bad news guys, the mongoose saw it's shadow...6 more weeks of shooting"

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