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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:53 pm 
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Huh?! As the reviewer, I too always thought the overall "bluish/green tint" was inherent to the source print and typical for the "cool" color scheme of particular this film.
Indeed, a can of worms...


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:38 pm 
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I also like the Studio Canal version better, in the same way I preferred the BFI's tint to the Crit DVD. Along with the Tatis and Ozu titles with the exception of Early Summer, this is not a title that I'm going to double-dip for on the Criterion Blu.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:03 am 
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Beaver on the Blu


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:01 pm 
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looks like they struck a nice balance between the old version and the SC....so excited to see this!


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:34 am 
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By this point it's coming down to a matter of taste (if not the region one is in). I prefer the Optimum, as the greater bluishness seems to fit the wintry feel of the film. I think I recall the later UN FLIC being even bluer.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:06 pm 

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reaky wrote:
I think I recall the later UN FLIC being even bluer.

Well, yeah. And if you look at Le Samourai again, you'll see a blu-ish tendency in a lot of its scenes. Army of Shadows likewise. That's the way Melville apparently shot his color films.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:37 am 

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Jack Phillips wrote:
reaky wrote:
I think I recall the later UN FLIC being even bluer.

Well, yeah. And if you look at Le Samourai again, you'll see a blu-ish tendency in a lot of its scenes. Army of Shadows likewise. That's the way Melville apparently shot his color films.


And then, you look at the theatrical trailer for Un flic and find out it's not.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:25 am 

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Same applies for Army of Shadows's trailer (at least on the BFI DVD) - you can see the pill in Jean Francois' bloodied hand and Gerbier in the restaurant swallowing paper. In the trailer, it's normal colour; but in the film, there's a blue/grey tinge.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:47 am 

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What happened? Did the BFI Army of Shadows release go out of print, because I don't see it listed on the BFI website.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:55 am 
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Yes, it went out of print and was reissued by Optimum/Studio Canal.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:00 pm 

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When Criterion released Pialat's L'Enfance-Nue in what appeared to be strange colors, far less pleasing than the MoC edition, a mjority of this forum readers showed a clear preference for the MoC version. Their views were not much altered when Criterion posted a justification for their choice as being closer to the "original intent". The argument is reversed when it comes to Le Cercle Rouge. Many have argued that they prefer the Sudio Canal version because it is closer to what they recall being Melville's intent. If no such information was brought into play, and the two versions were strictly evaluated based on which one seems to have a "better" image today (however an individual chooses to define that), I doubt if many would prefer the Sudio Canal image (my judgment - could be wrong). What I am bringing to attention here is more the consistency of criteria when evaluating competing versions than which one should be considered superior.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:47 pm 
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Not really, because lots of people have seen original prints of L'Enfance-Nue and regard Criterion's justification as crazy-in-the-coconut crazy (even the tattered, yellowed-with-age print I've seen was nowhere near as yellow as that). More than that Criterion's L'Enfance-Nue looks nothing like a film shot on Eastmancolor (MOC and the Gaumont's vivid red and blue look exactly like Eastmancolor) nor any other Pialat film. So it not a case of disregarding original intent, it is a case of disregarding Criterion's claim of recreating original intent.

On the other hand Studio Canal's Le Cercle Rouge steely blue bias is completely consistent with Melville's other films while Criterion's is merely consistent with reality.


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 Post subject: Re: 218 Le cercle rouge
PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:04 pm 
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Out of print, effective March 31, 2013.


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