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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:58 am 
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rrenault wrote:
By inferior source, you mean shots like these?

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Yes, that's one of the scenes. From memory, it affects about five minutes of material.


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:56 am 
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RossyG wrote:
To my untutored eye the Studio Canal BD looked fine. A handful of scenes are of slightly lesser quality, but that's explained in the set: they came from an inferior source.

So there's room for improvement, but I don't consider it a disaster at all. In fact, I'd give the whole disc a solid 4 out of 5.
Also, wasn't the Criterion DVD precisely the same? If they had done the Blu-ray they probably would have ended up with the same result.


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:33 am 
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No, the Criterion transfer is much darker and more bluish, it's not the same at all (see Beaver). The StudioCanal looks much better to me - but would be cool to see this new restoration on Blu eventually!

edit: sorry, you meant the same source materials of course, which is probably true - but either way the colours look better on the SC


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:48 am 
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I saw the trailer for the film at Film Forum the other day, and there was a noticeable golden hue to the look of the film that I don't think is captured on the Criterion DVD or Studio Canal blu ray.


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:12 am 
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Has anyone read this collection of essays on Contempt edited by Colin MacCabe and Laura Mulvey?


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:33 pm 
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Publisher's website has the table of contents if that helps.


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
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I've read the collection of essays and it was well worth it. About 50% of the essays had value (which is more than usual in these collections). It is available on an interlibrary loan through WorldCat if you have a local library close by. Some of the articles had several small screencaps that helped visualize the authors' points. I wish more academic studies used screencaps because film is, after all, a visual medium!


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:33 am 
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I saw this at MoMI today. It was preceded by Breathless which looked gorgeous projected from a 35mm print (struck from the 2010 restoration supervised by Raoul Coutard). Contempt, on the other hand, came from a DCP, and from the looks of it, it was created from the same master used to create the BD, because the same problems were there. To be blunt, it was a crummy looking DCP - I don't know when it was created, but it looked like an old 2k transfer, and besides the inferior source material used for certain scenes (as discussed in this thread), it felt like some heavy de-graining might've been used as some things looked pretty waxy. (This was especially true in the long shots.)


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:23 am 
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Every time this thread is bumped, my hopes go sky-high.


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:52 pm 
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I barely speak French at all, but revisiting this a couple weeks ago I noticed the spoken French more, and wondered about the translations in places. For example, it clicked that in Bardot's disquisition on Dean Martin's ass [per subtitles], she's actually saying âne [= donkey]. (Not that I'm criticizing the translation. Even if âne lacks the arse/donkey duality of "ass", "ass" is probably more idiomatic in context than "donkey").

All of which is just a pretext for posting this clip: "Ass" doesn't just mean "butt"


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:15 pm 
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I'd have to revisit the film to understand what the point that Bardot is making there, but she is referring to l'âne Martin, a folklore/legend having to do with Saint Martin's donkey. (There's also a proverb that says "À la foire, il y a plus d’un âne qui s’appelle Martin" ("At the fair, there is more than one donkey called Martin"), which means many people carry the same name or there's more than one person that possesses a particular characteristic.)


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:49 pm 
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Thanks! To my recollection, none of those details came through in the subtitles, and weren't discussed in the commentary.


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 Post subject: Re: 171 Contempt
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:16 pm 
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The scene is here (without subtitles). This seems to be the conversation:

- I don’t know if you want to look like Dean Martin, but you look like l’âne Martin.
- Who’s that?
- You don’t know The Adventures of L’Âne Martin?
- No.
- One day, he went to Baghdad to buy flying carpets. He found one that was very pretty. He sat on it and the carpet didn’t take off. So the merchant said to him: “That’s not surprising”. Are you listening?
- Yes!
- "That's not surprising. In order for the carpet to fly, you must not think about a donkey". So Martin said, “Very well, I must not think about a donkey.” But automatically, he thought about one. And so the carpet didn’t take off.
- I don’t see what that has to do with me.
- That’s exactly what I was saying.
- Well I don’t understand.


I'd have to watch the earlier parts so I too can (potentially) understand. I can't find any references for such "adventures" having existed. I would hazard a guess that Godard made up the specific story.


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