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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:13 am 

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There have been complaints on other messageboards that Criterion's release of Carlos (both Blu and DVD) has had its left surround channel mixed too low. Apparently the UK and Canadian releases don't exhibit this problem.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:02 am 

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Does anyone think that this has been compressed too much? Or, shot digitally... that doesn't appear to clean. I noticed in the darker scenes in the first part of the first episode that there were large blocks of solid color, mostly when the camera moved. Is this an equipment thing or is my copy bad?


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:19 am 
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Haven't seen the BD yet, but fwiw, It was definitely shot in 35mm.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:50 am 
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I noticed issues as well and suspect it's compression. Darker sequences are especially noisy.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:59 pm 
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There have been complaints on other messageboards that Criterion's release of Carlos (both Blu and DVD) has had its left surround channel mixed too low. Apparently the UK and Canadian releases don't exhibit this problem.

Yes, it has been confirmed to be a problem with the Criterion release. Here's what user Fanboyz posted about it on avsforum.com:
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"Carlos" will see a corrected run in December, prepare yourselves.

The Criterion BD "Carlos" lacks a left surround channel track for the duration of the entire third episode. I discovered this while on an immense dose of cortico-steroids for a kidney thing.

John Mulvaney finally responded to my question about this issue:
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We are aware of this problem on our end and are preparing a corrected run of this disc. These discs are expected to be available December. At that time, we'll reach-out to you with details on exchanging your disc for a new one, directly from us. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns, and thank you for supporting Criterion!

Best,

Jon Mulvaney

So if you got Carlos, then you'll want to get on their mailing lists to get a fixed version of disc 2. Once again Criterion proves why their the best at what it is that they do.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:55 pm 
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I like how the constant problems with discs of late is an indicator of how they're the best at what they do...


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:13 am 

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mfunk9786 wrote:
I like how the constant problems with discs of late is an indicator of how they're the best at what they do...

Psst--don't tell anybody this, but rumor has it that when a viewer will press the "Play Movie" button on the forthcoming Tiny Furniture, they'll see a Rivette movie play instead of the intended feature (standard def. only tho).


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:29 am 
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Sadly, the issue will never be discovered/reported

or

No one will consider that a problem!


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:49 am 
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Is this a problem that affects all discs pressed to this point? My Disc 2 definitely has sound coming out of both the right and left channels, but is the left channel perhaps just mirroring the right?


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:34 am 
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Maybe you have to be on cortico-steroids to hear it


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:25 am 
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There's a difference between the left channel and the left surround channel -- the left channel (more unambiguously known as front left) is placed to the left of the center channel, whereas left surround is placed to the listener's rear left. The problem is with the left surround channel, not the front left.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:13 am 
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mfunk9786 wrote:
I like how the constant problems with discs of late is an indicator of how they're the best at what they do...

... and also don't forget the macroblocking/pixelation/occasional lack of grain as a consequence of insufficient bitrate in Fanny and Alexander.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:07 pm 
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Carlos receives another life sentence


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:15 am 
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I cannot really add much more to zedz's excellent critique of the film, but having now finally seen it I would certainly agree about this being a continuation of the globalisation theme of Assayas' work. As with Demonlover this film is packed to the brim with transitional spaces - bars, hotels, runways, staircases of all kinds, and especially cars and planes, all showing people travelling without really getting anywhere (and as with Demonlover, sex is often equated with violence or threat! Along with the threat seeming to be something more paranoia-induced than really existing at first. Or maybe only really existing because the paranoia induced it? I assume though that all of the many fade to blacks that were also present in Demonlover are here more to do with advert breaks?)

On that note, I wonder if anyone has tallied up all of the scenes of people getting into and out of cars throughout the films - it has got to be in the dozens! (Someone should do one of those Cinemetric charts of the various shots!) I find it very amusing that the film illustrates how many different ways there are to use cars: driving it yourself alone; tailing someone; travelling with another person to take them to work or to hold a conversation; getting chauffeured in style; getting bundled into the back seat (most of the characters have this happen to them at one point or another! Angie is the only character who has the sense, when seeing a car waiting for him, to immediately run off in the other direction! Yet tellingly this sensible escape marks his last appearance in the film!); being blown up; blowing up others; being stretchered into the back of ambulances; having a military escort; having a police escort; hiring a car for a job; handing a car over to others; waiting to getaway drive from a crime scene; and so on! While the planes get used for similar back and forths in a couple of major sequences, the difference there is that the characters are more obviously at the mercy of the pilots and the airports letting them land!

Eventually when the characters get to more intimate, homely environments they often immediately get violated, such as the 9, rue Toullier apartment from Part 1 ; or they get turned into kind of sham paradises, such as the Hungarian house in Part 3. Even when Magdalena comes out of prison, she spends very little time at her mother's house before immediately giving it up to return to Carlos's homeless, rootless life.

More than anything even terrorist related I think Carlos is showing how people can only construct a life for themselves with the consent of others. If you are not allowed to, or supported in your goals to be who you want to be, or think you are, then there is little that you can do but submit.

That is also illustrating the interesting shift away from ideology, if it were ever there in the first place, in the film - in a sense Carlos and those around him become a mirror to the worst excesses of capitalism (and politics): international and maybe initially ideologically based at first but eventually having to spend far too much time on brokering deals with shady characters to set up bases, make money and retain influence that any sense of a coherent cause is lost, where the naked ambition (and the turning of an ideological organisation into being used for private ends, as in the Magdalena bombings) is perhaps too cruelly exposed. The implication is that Western society got off lucky in the way that these groups lost their ideological underpinnings and succumbed to day-to-day politicing and the need for the all powerful dollar.

The central OPEC hostage situation is key because it clarifies this theme and hints at the downward spiral to come. The entire sequence illustrates that the biggest problem in taking hostages is not having to keep the police out but to maintain order and not allow the situation to be manipulated from out of your hands when everyone starts attempting to seize the opportunity presented for their own ends. The whole situation ends up being transformed into something entirely different, and not exactly for the better. (The historical timeline in the booklet talks of the endings to the Vienna hostage situation by the Japanese which apparently ended with a similar problem in the hijacked plane not landing in the correct country. The end of that is not dealt with in the film, neither is the aftermath of the Orly Airport hostage situation, but presumably Carlos would have been aware of the outcomes of both and would not have been surprised at problems arising, or is this to suggest that the people involved in these actions disappeared from his consciousness before that point?)

It is interesting that Carlos ends up teaching the tactics of Lawrence of Arabia to students in a classroom in the Sudan - another person who perhaps 'united the tribes' for a brief period. Yet perhaps even that comparison is an attempt at building up myth by association. Although that ties in with the other great Assayas theme of generations passing from one to another and the threat of not being able to keep up with that pace of change, instead getting abandoned to live out your days in one place and as just one thing (even L'eau froide deals with this to some extent in the post-house party disappearance of the heroine, absent in the early morning rather than returning back to real life after the brief escape from it).

I have to admit after being gripped during the first two episodes, my attention began to wander during the final episode after Magdalena left and Carlos travelled to Sudan, where he just continued to repeat yet another loop of the same actions in an even more minor key (perhaps similar to dropping down the 'levels' in Demonlover!), but I think my exhausted and slightly tired reaction to yet another chunk of the film was an appropriate response to that final section which is meant to play as an extended period of inaction and aimlessness waiting (hoping) for the inevitable to come.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:17 pm 
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kishiro wrote:
Yes, it has been confirmed to be a problem with the Criterion release. Here's what user Fanboyz posted about it on avsforum.com:
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"Carlos" will see a corrected run in December, prepare yourselves.

The Criterion BD "Carlos" lacks a left surround channel track for the duration of the entire third episode. I discovered this while on an immense dose of cortico-steroids for a kidney thing.

John Mulvaney finally responded to my question about this issue:
Quote:
We are aware of this problem on our end and are preparing a corrected run of this disc. These discs are expected to be available December. At that time, we'll reach-out to you with details on exchanging your disc for a new one, directly from us. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns, and thank you for supporting Criterion!
So if you got Carlos, then you'll want to get on their mailing lists to get a fixed version of disc 2. Once again Criterion proves why their the best at what it is that they do.

Wanting to pick this up on Blu-ray, having enjoyed the shorter edit on Netflix. Does anyone know if the disc correction resulted in a "Second Edition" from Criterion, ala M? The copies I see in my local B&Ns are all "First Edition."


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:33 pm 
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I think the disc itself will say "second printing" but I lent my set out so I can't check.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:42 pm 
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It does, right next to where it lists the runtime.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:09 am 
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So is this old, I don't see second printing on mine, hopefully it's still not too late to write to get a replacement?


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:30 am 
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OK, thanks! So no external indication on the packaging. Going to go ahead and pick it up knowing this now, since I want to see the full cut & am interested in several of the supplements. I'm sure Criterion'll replace if B&N has somehow still got woefully stale stock with an uncorrected disc.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:04 pm 
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I had no idea the truncated cut was streaming on Netflix. Thanks for the information. I have been curious as to what they cut out.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:37 pm 
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aox wrote:
I had no idea the truncated cut was streaming on Netflix. Thanks for the information. I have been curious as to what they cut out.
Obviously, I'm not in any position to answer that curiosity. However, I did find that the film played very well in this edit -- something I had been predisposed to think was going to be problematic due to earlier comments in this forum.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:44 pm 
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hearthesilence wrote:
I think the disc itself will say "second printing" but I lent my set out so I can't check.
swo17 wrote:
It does, right next to where it lists the runtime.

I did buy Carlos on Blu-ray this past weekend at B&N, and unfortunately it is old stock without that marking and it does have a defective Disc 2 (in that the Left Rear [Surround] channel is absent). So far no response from Criterion (orders, mulvaney), but I'm hopeful and the discs are now kevyip'd for the time being.

EDIT (August 5th): Replacement disc arrived today!


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:49 pm 
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rrot wrote:
hearthesilence wrote:
I think the disc itself will say "second printing" but I lent my set out so I can't check.
swo17 wrote:
It does, right next to where it lists the runtime.

I did buy Carlos on Blu-ray this past weekend at B&N, and unfortunately it is old stock without that marking and it does have a defective Disc 2 (in that the Left Rear [Surround] channel is absent). So far no response from Criterion (orders, mulvaney), but I'm hopeful and the discs are now kevyip'd for the time being.

EDIT (August 5th): Replacement disc arrived today!


Just picked this up and was surprised to see this post! If I didn't read it here, I'd have no idea about the defective disc (only just watched disc 1 one so far).

Has anyone started a post about Criterions that have the same sort of issue, with defective discs? I can think of only one other (White) that had an issue with sound and had to be replaced. I fear now there are others out there I've missed!


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:57 pm 
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Take a look at this thread for all known issues with CC discs.


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 Post subject: Re: 582 Carlos
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:17 pm 
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Heard from the collective "Mulvaney" (response within 12 hours):

Hello Charles,

Yes, we are still honoring the CARLOS disc 2 replacement program, and
I'll send your replacement disc out this week via USPS. There is no
need to send us your faulty disc. Please let me know if you have any
further questions or concerns, and thank you for supporting Criterion!

Jon Mulvaney


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